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My Creation Science Challenge

DogmaHunter

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Due to lack of any other explanation, one can only assume the evolutionists believes the beginning poofed and the rest took care of itself.

That's the textbook premise of an argument of ignorance.

If there is no explanation currently known, then there is no explanation currently known. Then there are no "beliefs" to be had (not rational beliefs anyway...). It's just unknown.

If I missed something along the way, maybe you have an explanation based on your own original research to replace the poof. If so, please provide it.

Don't turn it around. This thread is about "creation science" and the "work" they supposedly have done. It is a request to post that work.

After all these pages, there has been a lot of whining and back and forward and dodging... but not a single reference to such "work".
 
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Does the standard big bang theory of the origin of the universe count as a poof?

Contrary to popular belief, big bang theory technically isn't actually about the origin of the universe.
 
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I missed that.

Sure, drop in anytime, I'll make dinner. I'll create it and it will come into being. IOW, after created, it will "be".

Dinner doesn't come "into being", in the sense of poofing into existence.
Your dinner is merely a rearrangement of existing materials.

Then you will claim "how did the ingredients come into being?", which will of course tell me you chose to miss the point.

No. The point is about things "poofing" into existence. That simply doesn't happen. Conservation of mass and energy and all....


Who "creates" snowflakes? Ice? Rain? Steam?
It's funny, because even a child would realise that no "who" is present there.



Funny how you are having a conversation with yourself here.

So in turn, makes perfect sense God "created" those ingredients but only if you allow logic which you tend to try to throw out of the picture unless it works for you.

How is it logical, to attribute actions to a being that can't even be shown to be real - let alone that this being did anything at all?


Where did I try to "disprove" gods?

Perhaps you should try and stick to the things I actually say...
 
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How is it logical, to attribute actions to a being that can't even be shown to be real - let alone that this being did anything at all?
Like gravity?
 
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Hi Jacksbratt, I don't accept what you're saying but it shouldn't be difficult for you to find a peer-reviewed article, show us how it is wrong and how the peer review system covered up those mistakes...... I eagerly await your report!
 
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Hi Jacksbratt, I don't accept what you're saying but it shouldn't be difficult for you to find a peer-reviewed article, show us how it is wrong and how the peer review system covered up those mistakes...... I eagerly await your report!
Scientists cover their tracks well.

Nebraska Man, for example, is considered a "hoax," not a "mistake."

The Pluto vote in 2006 was a rigged vote; which was clearly brought out on this site.
 
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Its not about how ridiculous it sounds. Its about the evidence.

Actually it's about answering the question at the moment.

Hint: ridiculous = unlikely it's evidence of anything...at least that's how I meant it.

I really am going to have to stop being so gullible and giving people as much credit as I do.
 
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So.... no research to post, then?

Done, pay attention.

I have never seen anything "come into being". I've only ever seen things being re-arranged.

Rearranging things into being another thing. Word it how you like, but can't escape the facts.

This thread is about "creation science" and the claims associated with it.

Cop out.

Read the OP.

Again, pay attention if you are going to join in the conversation.
 
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Actually it's about answering the question at the moment.

And the evidence is what will determine the accuracy of the proposed answer.

Hint: ridiculous = unlikely it's evidence of anything...at least that's how I meant it.

There was a time when it was also considered ridiculous that time is not a constant, but it's correct.
There was a time when it was also considered ridiculous that things can be measured in one place, while showing up in another place, but that is exactly what particles do.

The problem here, is that you are using "common sense" as your foundation to call something ridiculous or not. But that's the thing... you do NOT know what is sensible in advance. Your common sense only deals with the things you already know and it doesn't take things into account that you do not know or do not understand.

"Common sense" doesn't lead you to the conclusion that time is relative, for example.

As a matter of fact, just about every time major breakthroughs happened in science, it defied our common sense.

I really am going to have to stop being so gullible and giving people as much credit as I do.

First and foremost, you need to stop thinking that you have all the answers before asking the questions.
 
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Done, pay attention.

Are you saying that you DID post original "creationist" research?
I must have missed it. Care to repost it? A link to the post in question is fine as well. Thanks.

Rearranging things into being another thing. Word it how you like, but can't escape the facts.

Stop moving the goalposts.
We were talking about things "poofing into existence" out of nowhere.

I'm perfectly fine with the idea that things that "begin to exist", in fact, are just rearrangements of pre-existing materials. That is what I meant from the very beginning.



No. Thread topic. You're not familiar with the concept?

Again, pay attention if you are going to join in the conversation.

There's an explicit request in the OP concerning a specific subject. It's the whole point of this thread. Anything else, is off topic.


Maybe you should take your own advice and read the OP again.
 
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That's the textbook premise of an argument of ignorance.

Not arguing that...poofed sounds like a pretty ignorant explanation tho me as well.

Don't turn it around. This thread is about "creation science" and the "work" they supposedly have done. It is a request to post that work

Polly want a cracker?

After all these pages, there has been a lot of whining and back and forward and dodging... but not a single reference to such "work".

I did my work...do you like the name Polly?

If there is no explanation currently known, then there is no explanation currently known. Then there are no "beliefs" to be had (not rational beliefs anyway...). It's just unknown.

Then you have no explanation for creation if you cannot tell us where it began....why are you even participating?

Ow my....
Amazing to see that people still say such things.

You ARE aware there is still the original definition for the term? Just assume from now on that's what I am referring to.
 
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You mean for your purpose of coping out?

No. For the purpose of staying on topic.

I'll happily engage other subjects in other threads where those subjects are the topic. Go ahead and create one, if you want.


Where?
 
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I did my work...

Where?

Then you have no explanation for creation if you cannot tell us where it began....why are you even participating?

This thread is about the claims of creationists.

You ARE aware there is still the original definition for the term? Just assume from now on that's what I am referring to.

Words mean different things, in different contexts.

If you are refering to the word as it is used in non-scientific context, then you're just in error, because in "big bang theory", it IS a scientific context.
 
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