So is the Muslim praying in a government function trying to impose their beliefs on you?As you pointed out earlier in a secular society I would have no choice. And actually our faith comes from Judaism, and I know in my own country that Jewish citizens are as loyal to the nation as anyone else. They don't seek to harm or to impose their values on me.
So...
So is the Muslim praying in a government function trying to impose their beliefs on you?
Is Islam the only one? Any religion that does not believe in the Christ, His birth, His life, His resurrection, is an idolatrous, false religion which leads many millions into Hell for eternity, right?As Christians, we understand that Islam is a idolatrous, false religion which leads many millions into Hell for eternity, right?
Is Islam the only one? Any religion that does not believe in the Christ, His birth, His life, His resurrection, is an idolatrous, false religion which leads many millions into Hell for eternity, right?
OKAre we reading the same Bible? Yes! Of course!
OK
Then to be consistent in what you have said you shouldn't want anyone praying in a government function except a Christian. If that is how you feel I can understand that.
Our liberty, as far as the government goes, is based on a democracy. That is why there is no state religion.I'm an American citizen, AND a Christian. While I understand that the state promotes and establishes no religion, I also understand that this country was made to run on the liberty that Christianity alone provides; therefore, I can't be happy about a Muslim praying to a false god in this, or any other, setting.
I also understand that this country was made to run on the liberty that Christianity alone provides; therefore, I can't be happy about a Muslim praying to a false god in this, or any other, setting.
Are you a Christian, and for how long have you been? If so, how do you interpret the first commandment? Do you understand what idolatry is? Do you accept the idea that there is such a thing as idolatry?
"idolatry" is worship of a false idol. No one here is doing that. They are simply listening to Muslim prayer.
Christianity is no guarantee of liberty. Christian history is replete with tyrannical forms of government claiming to derive their tyranny from Christianity. The Founding Fathers had had a revolution against British "tyranny" of a country that had a state Christian religion. Absolute monarchy was justified as the divine right of kings, remember?I'm an American citizen, AND a Christian. While I understand that the state promotes and establishes no religion, I also understand that this country was made to run on the liberty that Christianity alone provides; therefore, I can't be happy about a Muslim praying to a false god in this, or any other, setting.
Listening to a non-Christian prayer makes you shudder? Why? Is your faith that weak that you feel you will convert to another religion?
And for a Christian -- truly that should not be done.
Every time I hear one I shutter!
M-Bob
The myth that Christianity = liberty is just that, a myth. If we followed Biblical precedent, we would be an absolute monarchy, not a republic.
Listening to a non-Christian prayer makes you shudder? Why? Is your faith that weak that you feel you will convert to another religion?
It's indirectly imposing the values of a religion which despises Jews and Christians, teaches Sha'ria law, the stoning/hanging of homosexuals, adulterers, loss of limbs for stealing, honor killings, forced marriages;that it is okay to lie to further the cause of Allah, and the establishment of a world wide caliphate..So is the Muslim praying in a government function trying to impose their beliefs on you?
A very good post. When the trend for 'prefix-Americans' became established I knew America was in trouble..What has really changed the most in America in the past fifty years is that there is no longer a common outlook, or a common understanding of what it means to be an American, or what American values are.
Kennedy was a liberal to be sure, but every American saw him as an American first and foremost, and shared in his outlook, and he in theirs.
It would have been seen by every American as ludicrous that state legislatures would open their meetings with prayers by Satanists and Wiccans. Even Satanists and witches would have seen that as ludicrous. The Judeo-Christian underpinnings of the American value system were understood and accepted by all Americans.
But now that has all changed. There is no centre anymore, nothing that defines an American as an American. America was never defined by race or ethnicity like the French or Japanese or Hungarians. It always defined itself by its values, values that everybody accepted and agreed to assume upon becoming an American.
But now that is all gone.
It's indirectly imposing the values of a religion which despises Jews and Christians, teaches Sha'ria law, the stoning/hanging of homosexuals, adulterers, loss of limbs for stealing, honor killings, forced marriages;that it is okay to lie to further the cause of Allah, and the establishment of a world wide caliphate..
So yes, I'd be very uncomfortable with that. But I would have to accept it because we live in secular societies...
Excerpt from report in attitudes voiced by British Muslims.."
"Here are the stats to prove it: 52 per cent of Britain’s three million Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal; 39 per cent think a woman should always obey her husband; 18 per cent sympathise with people who take part in violence against those who mock the Prophet; 4 per cent — that equates to about 100,000 Muslims — have ‘sympathy for people who take part in suicide bombing to fight injustice".
Trevor Phillips's documentary on Muslims was shocking - but not surprising
Queen's chaplain resigns after criticising church for allowing Koran reading
ps This is not to bash Muslims, simply to point out that their values are not the values of the Christianised liberal secular democracies..
Ask yourself, what beliefs and values were these secular societies originally built on? I don't think there is one major culture that did not have some form of religion at its heart.Secular nations must not empower one faith more than another.
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