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We're currently dealing with this in my church (sda). It's a very conservative church, about 80 active members and most are over 50. I enjoy contemporary music but the majority are elderly and think it's bad and should not be introduced into the church. Don't get me wrong, I understand the evils that can be introduced through music. Lucifer was the music leader of Heaven after all. So I completely understand that. But we could be a little more lively. Slow hymn after hymn after hymn does not always feel worshipful to me. I want to get excited about Jesus! Not jumping up and down or waving my hands around, but I want to feel excited. There is a difference between praise and worship and praise should lead to worship.
So we're going to attempt to incorporate more upbeat music into our services.

Here's another interesting thought/story about drums... we have a member, he's about 17 or so and he has ADHD. He plays the drums and I've heard he's quite talented. He doesn't enjoy getting in front of people and as it is he sometimes doesn't feel involved in the church because of his issues. I, and others I know, would like to draw him in more and make him feel included. He said he would be willing to play drums if that were to be a possibility. If we do it every once in awhile, as praise and do it respectfully, how can including this young man in our services be wrong? I wonder what Jesus would say about all this.
 
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Street Preacher, what RCC church do you know of where they play drums? ANd What do you mean why we use them? to make music, of course. Now, I know here is the US in modern times some of the churches in the inner city have come to resemble the typical service at a baptist, etc. church, but that is only within the past 20-30 years or so. So the play of instruments other than the piano and/or organ did not originate with the RCC type services. In fact, it is those who prefer the Europeans / RCC type srevice that have sought to eradicate any other type of "ethnic"(mostly African) influence from church services. But this is not biblical. Just as an easy rebuttal, consider Psalms 150. It talks about a whole host of instruments to be used in the praise and worship of God, and loud an rhythmic instruments are included AND it says to praise Him in His Sanctuary. Where do we get the fact that they are unacceptable to God when it says the direct opposite in the Bible.

Now, that ought to be enough for you and anyone else with a problem with drums, but I know it's not going to be.........sigh........But you know I will go on and post it here.....just in case maybe it will help a little light to get through.

Psalm 150


1Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.
2Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.
3Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
4Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
5Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. 6Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

Now, it might just be me, but this does not sound like a calm or quiet praise and worship service........
 
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To me this sounds like an instruction to praise God in everything we do. To tie in the praising of God in the sanctuary with the praising of God with these instuments and dancing, you need to show that there was music and dancing in the sanctuary, either the court or more specifically, the Holy Place. Otherwise it is just an unrelated list of ways we can praise Him.
 
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So many things and practices have creaped into Christian dome from the roman catholic church the beast power of revelation

So you think drums are regularly used in Mass? Around here they won't even let an electric guitar in the doors of a Catholic church, much less drums.

Paranioa will destroy ya.
 
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So you think drums are regularly used in Mass? Around here they won't even let an electric guitar in the doors of a Catholic church, much less drums.

Paranioa will destroy ya.

I think he means pagan practices in general...
 
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I think he means pagan practices in general...

Could be, but drums in church can hardly be blamed on Catholics. They are one of the most "reverent" Christian denominations.

I don't agree with much of their doctrine. I just don't like it when they blamed for anything and everything. Be fair!
 
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You have got to be kidding me, ECR! Why would I have to show there was dancing and playing these instruments in the sanctuary when the text already states it? if the Bible says to do it and someone doesn't then arent' they being disobedient. Then there is the fact that David wrote this and he is the one who danced before the Ark upon it's return to Israel. I have yet to find where God showed His disappoval at David praising in such a demonstrative manner. It is the Psalm itself that ties this altogether, you cannot pick it apart. now it basically says to praise and worship God everywhere and with "Everything that has breath"


 
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You have got to be kidding me, ECR! Why would I have to show there was dancing and playing these instruments in the sanctuary when the text already states it?

The reason why I said it Princess is because it can be read two ways... for all the description in the Bible about the sanctuary, I don't recall there being mention of anything but reverent service within the walls of the courtyard, the Bible doesn't clarify there was.



 
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Could be a dangerous practice for those who are not well grounded in the Bible. After all there is no salvation in any other religious scripture but the Holy Bible. Acts 4:12

The story is told (I don't know how true it is) that Mrs. Billy Graham was at a fashionable dinner on one occasion. She found herself sitting beside a gentleman. During their conversation, she asked about his work and was told it was identifying counterfeit money.

She was reported to have comment, "you must have to know a lot about counterfeit money to identify it?"

To which the gentleman replied, "No. I just have to know the real thing."

That is true when it comes to religion as well.
 
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Indeed, Amisk, if you can be turned by the simple knowledge of another religion, then you are very weak in that which you proclaim. In that case, maybe it is wise not to overload oneself with conflicting ideas. However, this is definitely about ones personal relationship with God and constantly seeking the guideance of the Holy Spirit in ALL things. Also, it is most definitely "cultish" to require that one's members not poersue knowledge or any other religion. It can be perceived that yours is that weak that it cannot stand.

If one is rooted in grounded in Jesus Christ....there is no fear of such knowledge. He never required such a narrow view. We know this because He gave us the intelligence to do eactly that, make informed decisions to choose a relatioship with Him.....or not. He doesn't want our allegiance, obedience because we know nothing else.
 
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That approach didn't work out for the Israelites.. seemed when they went in search of other belief systems, they were influenced by them and kindled the wrath of God.

Jer 10:2
Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen...
 
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I have met too many people who carried your idea and in the end, being too weak in their own faith to begin with, lost the faith they once had. This is the building block on which many of the False Cults have sucked in new converts.

In fact I find many Christians with a lack of knowledge and therefore they become prey for false religions.
 
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