Given that this is written in 1863 it seems to me it is more likely condemning the raping of slaves than interracial marriage.
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In a sermon on March 8, 1863, Young stated, “Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.” (LDS Journal of Discourses, 10:110)
I think the law you are speaking of is more about pagans, who didn't accept the One True God of the Jews. God repeatedly states He didn't want Jews mingling with others who's faith wasn't focused upon Him.
I never said it was "part of any law". I said it was a standard rule, a social/cultural practice. Do you think everything started with a "law"? Laws, even today, can be developed from longstanding cultural practices. There are even cultural laws protecting cultural practices in place!
Why are you quoting from W. Woodruff's journal, when I'm quoting JS directly? Was Woodruff even alive when JS was head of the LDS? Who is "he... said if anyone"? BY? JS? Your quote is very confusing.
There's no need to confound the issue by comparing it to gender. I'm happy to explore gender questions in a thread dedicated to that topic. And even IF i have a double standard (which I dont), it doesnt change the morality of this question one bit.Not what was said. Blacks were not allowed into the priesthood until 1978. Does your church allow women to be pastors? Does that mean your church does not consider women fully human? Would this not invalidate your religion?
There's no need to confound the issue by comparing it to gender
I'm happy to explore gender questions in a thread dedicated to that topic. And even IF i have a double standard (which I dont), it doesnt change the morality of this question one bit.
We simply need to place a white man and a black man side by side and note which one was denied the full respect as a man by the church.
Of course the church doesnt say out loud that one race is sort of "second class". That would be crass. They just did it, until way too recently.
Not so. Post 2. By someone else.....Which is why it applies to women as well. In any case, you are the one who derailed my thread by using it to bash the LDS which was never my intention.
I said less a man. By which I mean less human. That's exactly what I see when privilege or regard is denied based on nothing you can attach to individual character. The result is something like dividing humans into various species.You said it made them less human, not less manly.
I agree. I wish we were way further along in our culture with regard to gender equality. (Now this is a thread derail if we persist.)Ditto with the issue of women in the ministry, except most churches still do this.
I said less a man.
By which I mean less human.
I agree. I wish we were way further along in our culture with regard to gender equality. (Now this is a thread derail if we persist.)
Correct, in my estimation.This is what you said originally.
"Blacks were not considered fully human by the Church until 1978???"
Then by that logic women are less human in nearly all churches.
No. They weren't anywhere around. Not even standing with those who were beaten for being... not white. They were.... silent. Their church was.... silent. No. Martin Luther King was not a Mormon. He was a Christian believer. You know, a part of that "apostate" group, according to your belief system. Right.Mormons were never part of the KKK, that wasn't a mob Mormons demonstrating in Little Rock.
No. They weren't anywhere around. Not even standing with those who were beaten for being... not white. They were.... silent. Their church was.... silent. No. Martin Luther King was not a Mormon. He was a Christian believer. You know, a part of that "apostate" group, according to your belief system. Right.
Bob Jones U. in in the heart of the deep south, so its no wonder. Just like all slavers were not Christian, all prejudiced people were not always Mormon.The president of the LDS at the time believed MLK was a communist, but it is not like he invented that rumor. It was started by the Sovereignty Commission. And when MLK was assassinated Bob Jones University announced they would not be flying the flag at half mast for a Christian apostate. And it is not like Bob Jones was a Mormon university.
Too long because contemporary morals at the time recognized that people of all "races" should be considered equal before God and before our institutions.why too long? how long is not too long?
what does it have to do with being equal before God?Too long because contemporary morals at the time recognized that people of all "races" should be considered equal before God and before our institutions.
Equal before God offers reinforcement for the ideal that people should be equal before the law and other human institutions.what does it have to do with being equal before God?
I have a question. Let's say I committed a crime. I got myself to prison. I lost my freedom(right). I couldn't vote(right). I lost my right to privacy(right) . Probably, I lost some more rights. Does it make me un-equal before God?Equal before God offers reinforcement for the ideal that people should be equal before the law and other human institutions.
Hmm. Does crime make a person unfavorable before God? Does she need to make an atonement? Maybe. I'll leave that to the theologians.I have a question. Let's say I committed a crime. I got myself to prison. I lost my freedom(right). I couldn't vote(right). I lost my right to privacy(right) . Probably, I lost some more rights. Does it make me un-equal before God?
Do you know why black men did not have priesthood before 1978? do you know that Joseph Smith ordained black man? That man had priesthood. So, from the beginning of the restoration of true Gospel on earth black man had priesthood.Equal before God offers reinforcement for the ideal that people should be equal before the law and other human institutions.
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