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I was never good at science but I'd assume it's something genetical.packsaddle said:read the following article first:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3520968.stm
after you have read the article, answer this:
what makes a human human?
DNA, genes, I suppose?packsaddle said:what are the parameters?
Well, I can't give you specific evidence, but someone well versed in genetic make ups probably could.packsaddle said:if you cannot give us a means of distinguishing between humans and chimpanzees then this article is about nothing more than viruses caused by cannibalism.
Not necessarily.packsaddle said:it's no secret that evolutionists love to keep those distinguishing lines blurred because they know that those barriers are damaging to their beloved theory.
Yes.packsaddle said:so, as an evolutionist, do you consider cannibalism morally wrong?
Because it is murder.packsaddle said:if so, why?
I suppose because there are other methods if getting food.packsaddle said:why is cannibalism morally wrong, when survival is the ultimate goal?
A type of mammal??packsaddle said:what is a human?
DNA, genetics? It's not a field I'm well versed in.packsaddle said:I ask you again: how does one distinguish between a human and a chimpanzee?
Wrong.packsaddle said:if you cannot, or will not, answer this fundamental question, then we can conclude that you support cannibalistic behavior.
Namaste packsaddle,packsaddle said:so, as an evolutionist, do you consider cannibalism morally wrong?
Split Rock said:me give you an example of what evolution can tell us and what it can't tell us. Evolution tells us that chimpanzees are closely related to us.. our "cousins" in a sense.
But it's the only interpretation that includes ALL the evidence. And while the Theory of Evolution is open to debate, evolution itself is a fact. Life evolves, how it evolves, the mechanism, is what's discussed.packsaddle said:when two scientists who attend the same university, the same classes, and peruse the same evidence yet come to opposing conclusions, then the evidence is still open to all competing theories.
but the point here is that evolution (bacteria to bears variety) does not tell us anything but a story right now, because it nothing more than one interpretation of said evidence.
Phred said:But it's the only interpretation that includes ALL the evidence. And while the Theory of Evolution is open to debate, evolution itself is a fact. Life evolves, how it evolves, the mechanism, is what's discussed.
Also, "competing theories"... name one. Name one supported by the evidence and the scientific community. Name one that hasn't been repeated falsified. Name one that doesn't rely upon the untestable. Name one that isn't based first in mythology. Name one...
I would disagree. Genetics tells us that we have similar DNA, it is evolution that makes the relation claim.packsaddle said:evolution does not tell us that chimpanzees are closely related to us.....genetic studies tell us that chimpanzees are closely related to us, as are mice.
Evolution told us we were closely related before DNA was ever discovered. Genetic studies are just proof.packsaddle said:evolution does not tell us that chimpanzees are closely related to us.....genetic studies tell us that chimpanzees are closely related to us, as are mice.
packsaddle said:so, as an evolutionist, do you consider cannibalism morally wrong?
Make sure your "competing theory" includes the following:packsaddle said:it's the extrapolation that one creature turned into another creature that has never been validated, or observed......with over 150 + years of trying.
and yes, there is a very good competing theory, but I'm saving that for another thread.
(Emphasis added)Main Entry: can·ni·bal·ism
Pronunciation: 'ka-n&-b&-"li-z&m
Function: noun : the usually ritualistic eating of human flesh by a human being
And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body. 23 And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it. 24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
I suspect the sinfulness, in packsaddle's eyes, depends on who is doing the eating, and probably who is being eaten.packsaddle said:if you cannot, or will not, answer this fundamental question, then we can conclude that you support cannibalistic behavior.
I guess one way to tell the difference is that humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes while other apes (including chimpanzees) have 24.packsaddle said:if you cannot give us a means of distinguishing between humans and chimpanzees then this article is about nothing more than viruses caused by cannibalism.
no one is disputing variation within a population.
we can observe this every day.
it's the extrapolation that one creature turned into another creature that has never been validated, or observed......with over 150 + years of trying.
and yes, there is a very good competing theory, but I'm saving that for another thread.
All in the name of science and defeating evolution, eh?Late_Cretaceous said:Bushido said "Can you mate with a chimp"
Don't give him any ideas. Chimps are very strong animals, if he is inspired to attempt it, he could get seriously injured.
packsaddle said:I disagree.
evolution does not tell us that chimpanzees are closely related to us.....genetic studies tell us that chimpanzees are closely related to us, as are mice.
see the difference?.
packsaddle said:we both work with the same evidence.
the difference is that your interpretations of that evidence differ from the interpretations of others.
when two scientists who attend the same university, the same classes, and peruse the same evidence yet come to opposing conclusions, then the evidence is still open to all competing theories.
packsaddle said:but the point here is that evolution (bacteria to bears variety) does not tell us anything but a story right now, because it nothing more than one interpretation of said evidence.
Having two human parents.packsaddle said:what makes a human human?
what are the parameters?
I consider murder morally wrong, so murdering humans to eat them is an extension of that.packsaddle said:so, as an evolutionist, do you consider cannibalism morally wrong?
if so, why?
Survival is not my ultimate goal. But even if it were, condoning cannabilism would make me less likely to survive, as someone might kill and eat me.packsaddle said:why is cannibalism morally wrong, when survival is the ultimate goal?
The number of chromosones is one tell-tale. But if you don't have access to a biology lab, other clues would be the different skeletal structures, particularly the length and shape of the legs and arms, shape of the hips, the shape of the skull, and the difference in hand structure. Not to mention chimps have a lot of hair where humans do not.packsaddle said:I ask you again: how does one distinguish between a human and a chimpanzee?
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