Moon light - the word of God vs falsely so called science

If the moon has its own light source for the night then;

1. How is it we can see it in the daytime?

2. When we have an eclipse why is the moon black and not putting out its light?

Ophiolite said:

I suggest a small amendment to an otherwise excellent post. The Bible may or may not be correct in regard to the moon emitting light, but @d taylor's interpretation is most certainly incorrect.

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In my final sentence I should have emphasized it is @d taylor 's interpretation of the Bible which is incorrect.
The Bible doesn't state anything about the origins of moonlight which raises the question where does the myth of the moon creating its own light come from?
It could be some fundamentalists are so anti-science they create this myth to oppose the evidence supplied by science.

Lost4words said:

If the moon has its own light source for the night then;

1. How is it we can see it in the daytime?

2. When we have an eclipse why is the moon black and not putting out its light?

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I'll play devil's advocate and take a stab at this:

The sun rules in the daytime, and the moon rules in the nighttime.

In the times when both sun and moon are out, it's obvious which one is ruling.

And in the rare instances where an eclipse occurs, the moon "blocks the sun's rule," but in so doing, loses its ability to rule the darkness as well.

This is because the rule of the daytime belongs to the sun, not the moon; and the moon has no authority to simultaneously block the sun's rule, create darkness, then rule that darkness.

That's insubordination at best, and an insurrection at worst.

sjastro said:

The Bible doesn't state anything about the origins of moonlight which raises the question where does the myth of the moon creating its own light come from?

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From logic.

And again, I'll play devil's advocate here.

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Since the Bible doesn't say what processes result in the emitting of light from the sun or the moon, it is up to science to do so.

And if science deems that the sun produces its own light, then science should -- (if it wanted to) -- find the processes that result in light being emitted from the moon.

The only thing is though, the processes that result in the emitting of light from the moon are obviously different from the processes that result in the emitting of light from the sun.

And said processes have not been discovered yet.

Lost4words, I'm not sure why you put a laughing smiley on there, as I was being serious.

Lets get some further science into this thread.
The moon reflects sunlight in the visible spectrum but solar radiation also warms the surface of the moon, the surface cools at night and radiates energy back into space in the form of infrared radiation.
So technically speaking the moon does radiate its "own" light in the infrared spectrum which is invisible to the naked eye.


The differences in light levels in the infrared image is caused by temperature variations plus reflected infrared radiation from lunar minerals.

sjastro said:

Lets get some further science into this thread.
The moon reflects sunlight in the visible spectrum but solar radiation also warms the surface of the moon, the surface cools at night and radiates energy back into space in the form of infrared radiation.

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AV1611VET said:

Lost4words, I'm not sure why you put a laughing smiley on there, as I was being serious.

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I thought it was funny. You really think the moon has its own light source?

Lost4words said:

I thought it was funny. You really think the moon has its own light source?

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I do.

But the moon doesn't generate it -- the sun does.

In other words, light from the sun hits the moon, and the moon takes ownership of it as it reflects it back to the earth.

I once saw a video -- (and posted it here) -- on what is called "proprietary light."

But I can't find it anymore; even on YouTube for some reason.

AV1611VET said:

I do.

But the moon doesn't generate it -- the sun does.

In other words, light from the sun hits the moon, and the moon takes ownership of it as it reflects it back to the earth.

I once saw a video -- (and posted it here) -- on what is called "proprietary light."

But I can't find it anymore; even on YouTube for some reason.

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Oh, ok. Thats what i believe too. The moon just reflects it.

Lost4words said:

Oh, ok. Thats what i believe too. The moon just reflects it.

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I figured you did.

I do too.

But I look at moonlight in a different way than these guys do.

That is, not to the point where it makes the Bible look wrong.

sjastro said:

Lets get some further science into this thread.
The moon reflects sunlight in the visible spectrum but solar radiation also warms the surface of the moon, the surface cools at night and radiates energy back into space in the form of infrared radiation.
So technically speaking the moon does radiate its "own" light in the infrared spectrum which is invisible to the naked eye.

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The differences in light levels in the infrared image is caused by temperature variations plus reflected infrared radiation from lunar minerals.

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If someone can figure how the moon
creates light it will end our energy probs

AV1611VET said:

I do.

But the moon doesn't generate it -- the sun does.

In other words, light from the sun hits the moon, and the moon takes ownership of it as it reflects it back to the earth.

I once saw a video -- (and posted it here) -- on what is called "proprietary light."

But I can't find it anymore; even on YouTube for some reason.

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That sounds more like a spiritual setting. I can relate to that kind of trajectory.

Estrid said:

If someone can figure how the moon creates light it will end our energy probs

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I don't think that's gonna happen.

AV1611VET said:

I don't think that's gonna happen.

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Thing is, every one knows the moon is made of cheese anyway!

dlamberth said:

That sounds more like a spiritual setting.

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No.

It's a legal connotation.

Best let lawyers handle it.

Not astrophysicists, not astronomers, not biologists, not physicists, not mathematicians, not citizen scientists, not zoologists, not paleontologists, not archaeologists, not chemists, not research scientists, not MythBusters™, not Snopes™, not marine biologists, not geologists, not ...

Lawyers.

These aforementions would run this thread over a thousand posts or more yakking about light from the moon.

dlamberth said:

I can relate to that kind of trajectory.

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Yes.

I'm sure you can find something spiritual behind every bush.

Lost4words said:

Thing is, every one knows the moon is made of cheese anyway!

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Green cheese at that!

Woof!

AV1611VET said:

No.

It's a legal connotation.

Best let lawyers handle it.

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I think perhaps the Poets handle moon light way better than lawyers.

dlamberth said:

I think perhaps the Poets handle moon light way better than lawyers.

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No argument there!

It's when science comes sniffing around and acting like they're confused as to why the Bible says one thing, and their prophets say another, that the sparks start to fly.

Radio: Made using NRAO’s 140-ft telescope in Green Bank, West Virginia. Blues and greens represent colder areas of the moon and reds are warmer regions. The left half of Moon was facing the Sun at the time of the observation. The sunlit Moon appear brighter than the shadowed portion because it radiates more heat (infrared light) and radio waves.

Submillimeter: Taken using the SCUBA camera on the James Clerk Maxwell Telescope in Hawaii. Submillimeter radiation lies between far infrared and microwaves. The Moon appears brighter on one side because it’s being heated by Sun in that direction. The glow comes from submillimeter light radiated by the Moon itself. No matter the phase in visual light, both the submillimeter and radio images always appear full because the Moon radiates at least some light at these wavelengths whether the Sun strikes it or not.

Mid infrared: This image of the Full Moon was taken by the Spirit-III instrument on the Midcourse Space Experiment (MSX) at totality during a 1996 lunar eclipse. Once again, we see the Moon emitting light with the brightest areas the warmest and coolest regions darkest. Many craters look like bright dots speckling the lunar disk, but the most prominent is brilliant Tycho near the bottom. Research shows that young, rock-rich surfaces, such as recent impact craters, should heat up and glow more brightly in infrared than older, dust-covered regions and craters. Tycho is one of the Moon’s youngest craters with an age of just 109 million years.

Near infrared: This color-coded picture was snapped just beyond the visible deep red by NASA’s Galileo spacecraft during its 1992 Earth-Moon flyby en route to Jupiter. It shows absorptions due to different minerals in the Moon’s crust. Blue areas indicate areas richer in iron-bearing silicate materials that contain the minerals pyroxene and olivine. Yellow indicates less absorption due to different mineral mixes.

Visible light: Unlike the other wavelengths we’ve explored so far, we see the Moon not by the light it radiates but by the light it reflects from the Sun.
The iron-rich composition of the lavas that formed the lunar “seas” give them a darker color compared to the ancient lunar highlands, which are composed mostly of a lighter volcanic rock called anorthosite.

Ultraviolet: Similar to the view in visible light but with a lower resolution. The brightest areas probably correspond to regions where the most recent resurfacing due to impacts has occurred. Once again, the bright rayed crater Tycho stands out in this regard. The photo was made with the Ultraviolet Imaging Telescope flown aboard the Space Shuttle Endeavour in March 1995.

X-ray: The Moon, being a relatively peaceful and inactive celestial body, emits very little x-ray light, a form of radiation normally associated with highly energetic and explosive phenomena like black holes. This image was made by the orbiting ROSAT Observatory on June 29, 1990 and shows a bright hemisphere lit by oxygen, magnesium, aluminum and silicon atoms fluorescing in x-rays emitted by the Sun. The speckled sky records the “noise” of distant background X-ray sources, while the dark half of the Moon has a hint of illumination from Earth’s outermost atmosphere or geocorona that envelops the ROSAT observatory.

Gamma-rays: Perhaps the most amazing image of all. If you could see the sky in gamma rays the Moon would be far brighter than the Sun as this dazzling image attempts to show. It was taken by the Energetic Gamma Ray Experiment Telescope (EGRET). High-energy particles (mostly protons) from deep space called cosmic rays constantly bombard the Moon’s surface, stimulating the atoms in its crust to emit gamma rays. These create a unique high-energy form of “moonglow”.