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BLM burned a police station down and assaulted federal buildings. They said they would burn the system down.. Were they trying to overthrow the government?
 
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Like I mean . . . even anything that is "best" depends on the character of us who practice it. My opinion is there have been times when various forms of government have worked well . . . because of who was practicing it.

Problem with autocracy is, if the big guy is incompetent or evil, there's no remedy but a war to replace him.

And who gets to say who the big guy is? No, that never works for long.
 
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BLM burned a police station down and assaulted federal buildings.

Like this guy?
FBI: Far-Right Extremist Posed As BLM Protester, Fired On Minneapolis Police Precinct
The alleged gunman, a member of the Boogaloo Bois, shouted "Justice for Floyd" and helped set the building on fire, according to a federal complaint.
FBI: Far-Right Extremist Posed As BLM Protester, Fired On Minneapolis Police Precinct


Show us a BLM member who did that. You can't for reasons we all understand, even if you refuse to admit it. White supremacists want a revolution that takes down our democracy so they can impose a "white government."

Accelerationism is a term white supremacists have assigned to their desire to hasten the collapse of society as we know it. The term is widely used by those on the fringes of the movement, who employ it openly and enthusiastically on mainstream platforms, as well as in the shadows of private, encrypted chat rooms. We have also recently seen tragic instances of its manifestation in the real world.
White Supremacists Embrace "Accelerationism"


They said they would burn the system down..

They are marching alongside of you. You're helping them.

Were they trying to overthrow the government?

Attacking our Capitol to overthrow an election would qualify, yes.
 
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Problem with autocracy is, if the big guy is incompetent or evil, there's no remedy but a war to replace him.
And, I suppose, the bad guy could be taken down by someone who is worse.
 
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Whatever can be done by a lower authority rather than by a higher, should done by the lower, most immediate, authority: Subsidiarity - Wikipedia

This would have the benefit of retarding any tendencies to a would-be omnicompetent centralised state.
 
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Back to the original post, just wanted to highlight that Monarchs can be elected. England had an elected monarchy until 1066, for example Harold Godwinson was elected by the witan as king. The witan also deposed 2 kings. This is not just academic, it formed part of the justification for the parliamentary side in the British civil wars, the Glorious Revolution, and George I being effectively chosen over 60 people with better claims to the throne. Whilst the 15 Commonwealth crown realms parliaments do not directly vote on the next monarch, they have the constitutional right to pass a law to determine the succession, to exclude or change the order as they want. They all agreed just recently to remove male preference and just leave birth order preference. Any realm could, if they so wanted diverge from the others.
 
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Democracies, or any kind of government, don't get the blessing of God.
 
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Democracy is severely overrated.
 
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Democracy is severely overrated.

But it's the best form of government that has ever existed in the history of humans.

BTW, we're a Republic with representatives elected by the states in a democratic
process.
 
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But it's the best form of government that has ever existed in the history of humans.

BTW, we're a Republic with representatives elected by the states in a democratic
process.
From a Christian perspective I don't see that it's any different than the government of the Roman Empire with all it's faults, unfairness, and privilege for the rich, TBH. I know many Americans worship democracy but I'm not one of those. As Paul said, the government officials work for us to protect us and provide services for us and for that I commend them. Our democracy is still what the Bible calls the "World" and we are not to be friends with the World.
 
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"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.". ― Franklin D. Roosevelt.

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin

The Illusion of Choice:
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BLM burned a police station down and assaulted federal buildings. They said they would burn the system down.. Were they trying to overthrow the government?
Obviously BLM wasn't trying to overthrow any government.
 
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Try reading the book, "Are We Rome: The Fall of an Empire and the Fate of America"
by Cullen Murphy

We aren't even close to being like the Roman Empire.

Just one fact, the Roman Emperors ruled with an iron fist, torturing and killing people
purely for entertainment purposes.

We have it better today than humans have ever had it history.
Things could be far worse !

Even the rate of poverty in the world is only at 10% which never was
achieved before.
 
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But what significance does that have for a Christian? Does a prosperous nation mean more souls saved? We have serious problems in America and in the Church. A poll recently showed that 68% of Christians have a porn habit, for example. Could we be like the church at Laodicea where Jesus told them, "For you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing, not realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked."?
 
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What makes you think that?
Because any change that they wanted was to be done by peaceful protest and no one from the BLM advocated violently overthrowing the government. All the looting and destruction was not as a means to overthrow the government.
 
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We have problems, but they're nothing compared to the immorality and viciousness of
the Roman Empire. We don't even have capital punishment in most states, yet the Roman's
had gladiator fights to the death and crucifixion and other means of torture were often used.

Lets not forget that the Roman's invaded many countries and cultures
and treated them harshly.
 
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