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That is not so, the council of "COUNCIL OF BASLE/FERRARA/FLORENCE" in the years 1431-1439, provided a complete canon list for Eastern Churches seeking union with Rome. That list was acknowledged as coming from the local councils of Carthage, Hippo, and Rome in the fourth and fifth centuries AD.That decision was not made until The Council of Trent, held between 1545 and 1563 in Trent.
I believe in your earlier post you defined the Catholic Church as including all rites.Orthodoxy has a number of Jurisdictions and some of them have differing canon lists for the canonical scriptures. Your posts ought to be specific about which jurisdiction you intend. As for the Catholic Church, its answer is that there are 73 canonical books in the holy scriptures.
I said that the Catholic Church has 24 rites, all of which are in communion with Rome.I believe in your earlier post you defined the Catholic Church as including all rites.
If that is your only objection I can provide other sources including Catholic sources.I did see it and noticed that it is the production of an Evangelical Ministry called "Just for Catholics". I make it a practise not to derive my doctrine from Evangelical 'evangelism of Catholic" web sites.
I'd rather that your posts deal with facts and truth than the opinion of either a saint or an evangelical web site.If that is your only objection I can provide other sources including Catholic sources.
That seems to be arguing with your previous post where you indicated that all Catholic Churches have the same canon and if in fact the canon was established at that time why was it necessary for it to be established at Trent, your arguments seem to be in conflict. Can you provided any evidence that the canon was officially established prior to Trent?That is not so, the council of "COUNCIL OF BASLE/FERRARA/FLORENCE" in the years 1431-1439, provided a complete canon list for Eastern Churches seeking union with Rome. That list was acknowledged as coming from the local councils of Carthage, Hippo, and Rome in the fourth and fifth centuries AD.
OK what are those 24 ritesI said that the Catholic Church has 24 rites, all of which are in communion with Rome.
The canon is restated in Vatican II, not because such is a necessity due to disputes but because such is useful for the document in which the canon is listed; Dei Verbum, which is the council's teaching regarding scripture. So, Trent restates the canon, not because Catholics were doubting it but because Protestantism had rejected it and the Catholic Church wished to reiterate its own teaching for the sake of the faithful and for the sake of Protestants who were teaching error including error about the extent of the canon of scripture.That seems to be arguing with your previous post where you indicated that all Catholic Churches have the same canon and if in fact the canon was established at that time why was it necessary for it to be established at Trent, your arguments seem to be in conflict. Can you provided any evidence that the canon was officially established prior to Trent?
All of my post are subject to contradictory evidence if you have any please post it.I'd rather that your posts deal with facts and truth than the opinion of either a saint or an evangelical web site.
You are mistaken if you believe that my posts are intended to convince you to change your views.All of my post are subject to contradictory evidence if you have any please post it.
The most explicit definition of the Catholic Canon is that given by the Council of Trent, Session IV, 1546.The canon is restated in Vatican II, not because such is a necessity due to disputes but because such is useful for the document in which the canon is listed; Dei Verbum, which is the council's teaching regarding scripture. So, Trent restates the canon, not because Catholics were doubting it but because Protestantism had rejected it and the Catholic Church wished to reiterate its own teaching for the sake of the faithful and for the sake of Protestants who were teaching error including error about the extent of the canon of scripture.
I assume we are having an academic discussion and evidence should be included. If you are simply stating your opinion then no evidence is required.You are mistaken if you believe that my posts are intended to convince you to change your views.
No my question is related to your post, you stated that there are 24 which ones were you considering when you made your post?Use google to search it out. It is readily available.
That is not so, Dei Verbum is quite "extensive"The most explicit definition of the Catholic Canon is that given by the Council of Trent, Session IV, 1546.
This is an extensive article from the Catholic side, I believe it confirms my posts to date.
Canon of the Holy Scriptures
The 24 that are explicitly mentioned in the documents of the Catholic Church.No my question is related to your post, you stated that there are 24 which ones were you considering when you made your post?
.“St. Jerome distinguished between canonical books and ecclesiastical books. The latter he judged were circulated by the Church as good spiritual reading but were not recognized as authoritative Scripture. The situation remained unclear in the ensuing centuries...For example, John of Damascus, Gregory the Great, Walafrid, Nicolas of Lyra and Tostado continued to doubt the canonicity of the deuterocanonical books. According to Catholic doctrine, the proximate criterion of the biblical canon is the infallible decision of the Church. This decision was not given until rather late in the history of the Church at the Council of Trent. The Council of Trent definitively settled the matter of the Old Testament Canon. That this had not been done previously is apparent from the uncertainty that persisted up to the time of Trent” (The New Catholic Encyclopedia, The Canon).
The practice of the Church up to the time of the Reformation was to follow the judgment of Jerome who rejected the Old Testament apocrypha on the grounds that these books were never part of the Jewish canon. These were permissible to be read in the churches for the purposes of edification but were never considered authoritative for establishing doctrine. The Protestants did nothing new when they rejected the apocrypha as authoritative Scripture. It was the Roman church that rejected this tradition and ‘canonized’ the ecclesiastical books.
St Jerome and the Canon
This is NOT true. You are reading fiction.Maybe you did not see this: The practice of the Church up to the time of the Reformation was to follow the judgment of Jerome who rejected the Old Testament apocrypha on the grounds that these books were never part of the Jewish canon. These were permissible to be read in the churches for the purposes of edification but were never considered authoritative for establishing doctrine. The Protestants did nothing new when they rejected the apocrypha as authoritative Scripture. It was the Roman church that rejected this tradition and ‘canonized’ the ecclesiastical books.
St Jerome and the Canon
Just because a website makes a claim doesn't make it automatically true. Doubly so when it does so with such scant proof (pointing to Jerome and an isolated statement of a single cardinal is not proof that "the practice of the Church up to the time of the Reformation was to follow the judgment of Jerome"). Triply so when it's a polemic, as is the case in your link.Maybe you did not see this: The practice of the Church up to the time of the Reformation was to follow the judgment of Jerome who rejected the Old Testament apocrypha on the grounds that these books were never part of the Jewish canon. These were permissible to be read in the churches for the purposes of edification but were never considered authoritative for establishing doctrine. The Protestants did nothing new when they rejected the apocrypha as authoritative Scripture. It was the Roman church that rejected this tradition and ‘canonized’ the ecclesiastical books.
St Jerome and the Canon
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