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Don't sweat it dude.
 
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Your wrong ,it is NOT A MORTAL SIN.

as it was explained to me by a priest I like to call Fr Hippy, he says its not that you willfully refuse to go to Mass. Something comes up that is more out of the norm over you just blowing Mass off. Obviously these ppl here are not blowing it off becuase he is posting and emailed the fr and is concerned.

Now that's Fr Hippy... he is what one would call a la, la, la liberal priest. Hence the nick name I gave to him "fr. Hippy".

Fr. Joe Conservative might tell you something different. That its a mortal sin and mortal sin merits hell and that child now will have a mortal sin on her soul thanks to her parents, blah, blah, blah, de blah-blah.

This is one of those Conservative pre Vatican vrs liberal post Vatican issues that's been debated and will continue to be.

I just love the unity we share in the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
 
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Respectfully, it is objectively a grave sin to miss Mass. If all the conditions are met, it can be mortally sinful. It is not legalistic, it is Catholic Truth.
 
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Posted on EWTN's website....


Sunday Mass and Holy Day Obligation


It is both a precept of the Church and Church law that Catholics must worship God on Sunday and Holy Days of Obligation by participating in the Holy Mass. This follows from the fact that in the Mass it is Christ Himself who worships the Father, joining our worship to His. In no other way is it possible to adequately give thanks (eucharistia) to God for the blessings of creation, redemption and our sanctification than by uniting our offerings to that of Jesus Christ Himself. Following the example of the Old Covenant the Church does this weekly, on the day of the Lord's Resurrection.
Canon 1247
On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass; they are also to abstain from those labors and business concerns which impede the worship to be rendered to God, the joy which is proper to the Lord's Day, or the proper relaxation of mind and body.
Canon 1248
1. The precept of participating in the Mass is satisfied by assistance at a Mass which is celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the holy day or on the evening of the preceding day.
2. If because of lack of a sacred minister or for other grave cause participation in the celebration of the Eucharist is impossible, it is specially recommended that the faithful take part in the liturgy of the word if it is celebrated in the parish church or in another sacred place according to the prescriptions of the diocesan bishop, or engage in prayer for an appropriate amount of time personally or in a family or, as occasion offers, in groups of families.
Since a "grave cause" is needed to excuse one from this obligation it would be a serious or mortal sin to willfully skip Mass on Sunday or a Holy Day of Obligation, as the Church has always taught. Reasons such as the necessity to work to support one's family, child care, personal sickness or the care of the sick, necessary travel etc. would excuse a person on a particular occasions. Those who have continuing reason to be excused should consult their pastor.
If a priest is not available in an area and only a Liturgy of the Word or a Communion Service is offered the Mass obligation does not "transfer" to such services. As canon 1248 notes, participation is recommended for the spiritual value, especially if Communion is distributed. The proper way to celebrate Sunday is spoken of at length in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
2182 Participation in the communal celebration of the Sunday Eucharist is a testimony of belonging and of being faithful to Christ and to his Church. The faithful give witness by this to their communion in faith and charity. Together they testify to God's holiness and their hope of salvation. They strengthen one another under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
2183 "If because of lack of a sacred minister or for other grave cause participation in the celebration of the Eucharist is impossible, it is specially recommended that the faithful take part in the Liturgy of the Word if it is celebrated in the parish church or in another sacred place according to the prescriptions of the diocesan bishop, or engage in prayer for an appropriate amount of time personally or in a family or, as occasion offers, in groups of families."
A day of grace and rest from work
2184 Just as God "rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done," human life has a rhythm of work and rest. The institution of the Lord's Day helps everyone enjoy adequate rest and leisure to cultivate their familial, cultural, social, and religious lives.
2185 On Sundays and other holy days of obligation, the faithful are to refrain from engaging in work or activities that hinder the worship owed to God, the joy proper to the Lord's Day, the performance of the works of mercy, and the appropriate relaxation of mind and body. Family needs or important social service can legitimately excuse from the obligation of Sunday rest. The faithful should see to it that legitimate excuses do not lead to habits prejudicial to religion, family life, and health.
The charity of truth seeks holy leisure- the necessity of charity accepts just work.
2186 Those Christians who have leisure should be mindful of their brethren who have the same needs and the same rights, yet cannot rest from work because of poverty and misery. Sunday is traditionally consecrated by Christian piety to good works and humble service of the sick, the infirm, and the elderly. Christians will also sanctify Sunday by devoting time and care to their families and relatives, often difficult to do on other days of the week. Sunday is a time for reflection, silence, cultivation of the mind, and meditation which furthers the growth of the Christian interior life.
2187 Sanctifying Sundays and holy days requires a common effort. Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord's Day. Traditional activities (sport, restaurants, etc.), and social necessities (public services, etc.), require some people to work on Sundays, but everyone should still take care to set aside sufficient time for leisure. With temperance and charity the faithful will see to it that they avoid the excesses and violence sometimes associated with popular leisure activities. In spite of economic constraints, public authorities should ensure citizens a time intended for rest and divine worship. Employers have a similar obligation toward their employees.
2188 In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all, Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church's holy days.
Answered by Colin B. Donovan, STL
 
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Yes , yes, we all know that - BUT a 9 year old child cannot understand that language .

As the OP said - she was invited to go with the other family on the Friday - for a camping trip . He has checked with 3 priests and all said it was OK - she was unable to go to the Saturday Vigil [ already away ] and couldn't go at all on Sunday [ wasn't coming home till Tuesday ]

I would hope that the OP has explained to his daughter the Church's teaching in words that SHE can understand , and has also explained that the Church is merciful and does not expect you to do the impossible.

We don't know the OP's particular circumstances - maybe it's the only time she will be away from home for a trip this year , and this trip is due to the kindness of other folk.
 
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Anhelyna,
This was NOT posted for the OP - nor with any reference to the child and the circumstance of camping. That was settled long ago and discussed ad nauseum.

However, a poster inferred dogmatically and erroneously that it is not a mortal sin to miss mass. Well, we need to listen to the Church, not an armchair bishop on the internet.

EDIT: I had not intended to dignify that post had it not been for yesterday's reading from Ezekiel - "If you fail to warn them of their sin, I will hold you responsible."

Mission accomplished. Leaving thread.
 
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It is not de facto a mortal sin to miss Mass. It is still objectively a grave sin, which is a condition for mortal sin. We cannot assume the other three conditions were met, and it is INCREDIBLY hard to judge consent of will, even by reading a snippet on the internet. Therefore, it is usually and normally incorrect to say "missing Mass is a mortal sin" here. It would be more correct to say "missing Mass is a grave sin."
 
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My apologies - I wasn't referring to your post, FullyMT, but to Underheaven's.

Of course, I agree with you that the "matter" is grave, and there was never any intent on my part to determine "consent" since each person's circumstances may be extenuating and would therefore lessen culpability.

GENERALLY, though, most Catholics understand that it is grave matter to willfully miss mass without those extenuating circumstances. In catechesis, this teaching of the Church is pretty clear, and to undermine it would be to form a lax conscience.

Here is a long thread at CAF in Liturgy and Sacraments on this very topic, and the consensus is that it is a mortal sin. The OP at CAF seems to be looking for wiggle room to justify her conscience.
 
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As I said before - St Barnabus knows better than the 3 priests that the OP consulted .

He does not know all the facts - all he knows is that this 9year old was invited by a family who are not Catholic to join them on a weekend camping trip - he doesn't know what triggered the invitation - none of us do and we do not need the OP to tell us this.

There's a little thing called compassion which has to be involved in decision making at times , as well as knowing what's right and wrong.

St Barnabus appears to see things in black and white and forgets that there are various shades of grey
 
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What's with the carping, Anhelyna? I've said it twice already, that this is not referring to the 9-year old. In fact, I changed my opinion on this waaaaaay back on page one. Are you trying to make me say what I don't intend? Lay off already! The OP I was referring to in these last posts was the OP at CAF.
 
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For some reason, there is a bug in the edit function, for when a post is edited, the content does not appear.

Therefore, I'll post it again. My last posts referred to the OP at Catholic Answers Forum (CAF) who seemed to be looking for wiggle room - and NOT the OP Guardian Angel HERE.

For the record!
 
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Barnabas, No sin is mortal until we make it mortal by willfully cooperation in a grave matter that we have full knowledge of its gravity.

Massing Mass is grave but it mortal when we break our relationship with God due to willful cooperation where we totally reject God telling us its a sin. Its really mortal when die and go to hell over it.

Not everyone who misses Mass does so out of a rejection God. That's not to say we can just miss Mass and still love God and be Christian.

This is one of those things you have to discuss with the cleric and trust his opinion.
 
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The point is, it really didn't need to be brought up- the CAF response.

The liberal Catholics/clergy is going to say its okay to miss... the hard line conservative old school catholic/clergy are going to say, if you do you'll burn in hell.

Whats a Catholic to do... email his priest and trust the opinion.
 
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The answer to that is that this thread was posted about a specific problem by the OP

it was YOU that dragged another scenario into it and took the thread badly off topic - yes you kept it on the sin of missing Mass but you so far removed it from the original query that you should have made it another thread .
 
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