missing mass

prophecyistrue · Sep 2, 2011

united4Peace said:
Protestants can do that. We can have communion anywhere, in our own homes if so be, however with Catholics this is not possible. Only a Priest is allowed to serve communion. I know this as I was schooled Catholic, my husband is Catholic as is some of my family and most of his family

I see!.....what is the biblical president for priest offering this mass as they call it. It appears from scripture that disciples taught quite abit about this taking of the bread (body) and wine (blood) and as we see from scripture it got pretty out of hand, some people were eating all the bread (body)and drinking all the wine (blood so that some Christians who came late didn't have any, and the ones who drank all the (blood) were getting drunk......I can see how rules and regulations needed to be instituted

Dark_Lite · Sep 2, 2011

It's not technically correct to say that only priests can "serve" communion. It is correct to say that only priests can consecrate the bread and wine. They can be served by anyone in any place as allowed by canon law. Before Vatican II, canon law stipulated that only priests could give out communion (I think). After Vatican II, provisions were made for "Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion," aka lay people handing out the consecrated body and blood. Some people would argue that the position is abused, but that's an entirely different issue. Canon law also stipulates that communion will be given out and kept in a parish, except in extraordinary circumstances (i.e. Extraordinary Ministers taking communion to the sick and homebound).

united4Peace · Sep 2, 2011

prophecyistrue said:
I see!.....what is the biblical president for priest offering this mass as they call it. It appears from scripture that disciples taught quite abit about this taking of the bread (body) and wine (blood) and as we see from scripture it got pretty out of hand, some people were eating all the bread (body)and drinking all the wine (blood so that some Christians who came late didn't have any, and the ones who drank all the (blood) were getting drunk......I can see how rules and regulations needed to be instituted

Replied but no idea where it went!
I have no idea why. All I know is that one does not offer a Catholic communion outside of the Catholic Church as it is disrespectful to them. It would be like saying "God bless you" to an Atheist, something I just would never do(respecting their beliefs).
I do know it bothered some of my husbands family when we were married(female Minister), not so much his parents as we had many Catholic traditions incorporated into the wedding. It also bothered his parents somewhat when we baptized our children (in the Church I belong to). They also came to Church with us once to watch our children sing and were not impressed (The youth did the entire service including the readings from the Bible-played loud music and well made it a fun service for everyone).
A Catholic would be better off answering this and since my husband is not home at the moment I can't ask him. Sorry .

PS...We can say the Lords Prayer with either Our Father/Mother...however my husband told me never to use Mother infront of his parents which I don't again as a sign of respect.

united4Peace · Sep 2, 2011

Dark_Lite said:
It's not technically correct to say that only priests can "serve" communion. It is correct to say that only priests can consecrate the bread and wine. They can be served by anyone in any place as allowed by canon law. Before Vatican II, canon law stipulated that only priests could give out communion (I think). After Vatican II, provisions were made for "Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion," aka lay people handing out the consecrated body and blood. Some people would argue that the position is abused, but that's an entirely different issue. Canon law also stipulates that communion will be given out and kept in a parish, except in extraordinary circumstances (i.e. Extraordinary Ministers taking communion to the sick and homebound).

Thank you for clearing that up

Dark_Lite · Sep 2, 2011

Communion is done in churches because of the sacredness of the act. The Mass is not a a religious get-together. It is the highest form of prayer and worship, culminating in the most important Christian belief of all: communion.

The Eucharist, above all else, is the most central belief in Catholicism or any apostolic Church. The amount of importance that is placed upon communion dwarfs the importance placed on every other belief.

That is why communion is not informally celebrated where ever, when ever. Technically, a Mass could be celebrated outside a church, but it's not the norm.

united4Peace · Sep 2, 2011

Dark_Lite said:
Communion is done in churches because of the sacredness of the act. The Mass is not a a religious get-together. It is the highest form of prayer and worship, culminating in the most important Christian belief of all: communion.

The Eucharist, above all else, is the most central belief in Catholicism or any apostolic Church. The amount of importance that is placed upon communion dwarfs the importance placed on every other belief.

That is why communion is not informally celebrated where ever, when ever. Technically, a Mass could be celebrated outside a church, but it's not the norm.

Again thanks
A question Ive always had though and maybe you can answer as well is why do the children wait until they are eight yrs old (I remember being in gr 3) to do first communion, where as in our church as long as the child can drink and eat they take communion (there is no first communion persay).
What is the difference? I apologize as this is probably OT.
To the OP though...I would allow your daughter to go camping, however that is just my opinion. Am glad the Priests okay'd it as well

Dark_Lite · Sep 2, 2011

In the Latin Church, the communion age has become to be around 8 or so probably due to the whole "age of reason" idea. Historically, first communion was given to infants. It is still practiced that way in the eastern Churches.

benedictaoo · Sep 2, 2011

princess_ballet said:
Oh, come on. For crying out loud, at least they're going.

Hey I don't make the rules... don't get mad at me...I don't care what day any body goes on... its not my rule. Its the Church's.

FullyMT · Sep 3, 2011

St_Barnabus said:
Yes, and what determines the gravity? Remember the three necessary conditions for mortal sin:
... grave matter (yes),
... full knowledge (yes),
... consent of the will anyway (yes).
The only condition excusing us is when we are willing to go to mass, but prevented by illness or some dire condtion beyond our control - 20" of snow, for example. Many times, a bishop will issue a statement excusing Catholics in that case.

You just gave the determiniation for a mortal sin,not grave matter. What I said was that we could not ourselves determine if it was a mortal sin. Ultimately, consent of the will is only known by the person committing the action and God (assuming the person has not confided in another). We cannot and should not go yelling "mortal sin!" Grave sin, ok, fine; but it is truly not our place, especially on the internet, to be determining the state of another's soul.

Thankfully, the local priests of GA were able to help him in this situation.

underheaven · Sep 3, 2011

St_Barnabus said:
So, in the opiinion of your parish priests, it is okay to commit a mortal sin THIS TIME, but in the future, she should let Mass take precedence over a fun thing. I do have to wonder how you worded your email for them to respond this way.

Suppose she wanted to do an overnighter [pajama party, perhaps] with some noncatholic friends who would not be getting up for mass the next morning. Is it more important to develop a good social life than offend God?

I don't think it is God who is offended but legalists who would say
that missing mass is equivalent to murder,sodomy,child abuse,
and many other hienous sins commited day in day out.
I am going to check to see if the church says that this is a mortal
sin and I will never ever go near a church again. We'll see if it true,
I hope not ,indeed I hope not.

Colin · Sep 3, 2011

united4Peace said:
My inlaws go on Saturday evenings as they find it's actually quieter (which they prefer) than Sunday's where they live.

Regarding the fulfillment of the obligation to assist at the Eucharist on Sundays and Holydays of obligation , Canon Law makes it quite clear .

The obligation is fulfilled by assisting at the Eucharist on the Sunday or the Holyday or in the evening of the previous day .

JimR-OCDS · Sep 3, 2011

The question by the OP is the same as a question that was debated years ago in CAF.

A family wants to go on a two week camping trip in the Alaskan wilderness where the parents know that there will be no opportunities to attend Mass. Would it be a sin for them to go?

The answer was no, it was not. The Church does not prohibit Catholics from taking vacation or business trips where it is known that they will not be able to attend Mass.

It is not a mortal sin for the girl to go on this camping trip.

Jim

underheaven · Sep 3, 2011

Dark_Lite said:
Communion is done in churches because of the sacredness of the act. The Mass is not a a religious get-together. It is the highest form of prayer and worship, culminating in the most important Christian belief of all: communion.

The Eucharist, above all else, is the most central belief in Catholicism or any apostolic Church. The amount of importance that is placed upon communion dwarfs the importance placed on every other belief.

That is why communion is not informally celebrated where ever, when ever. Technically, a Mass could be celebrated outside a church, but it's not the norm.

This is good and clear,but there is absolutely no biblical precedence
for saying that you must go weekly or it is a mortal sin,and to put the
idea of mortal sin in the head of a child ,one must be very careful,
for it is an adult concept,and a child cannot commit a mortal sin.

epiclesis · Sep 3, 2011

underheaven said:
This is good and clear,but there is absolutely no biblical precedence
for saying that you must go weekly or it is a mortal sin,and to put the
idea of mortal sin in the head of a child ,one must be very careful,
for it is an adult concept,and a child cannot commit a mortal sin.

are you kidding me? that's so not true. a child CAN commit a mortal sin. that's what the point of being the "age of reason" is.

Children should, without a doubt, be catechized on what a mortal sin is.

united4Peace · Sep 3, 2011

rawson said:
Regarding the fulfillment of the obligation to assist at the Eucharist on Sundays and Holydays of obligation , Canon Law makes it quite clear .

The obligation is fulfilled by assisting at the Eucharist on the Sunday or the Holyday or in the evening of the previous day .

Not sure what that means at all . I am not Catholic (Holy catholic but not RC). That's all I did was reply that my inlaws go on Sat evenings due to it being quieter (also for medical reasons).

Colin · Sep 4, 2011

united4Peace said:
Not sure what that means at all . I am not Catholic (Holy catholic but not RC). That's all I did was reply that my inlaws go on Sat evenings due to it being quieter (also for medical reasons).

I was just pointing out that what your inlaws do is fine by church discipline .

Some posts seemed to cast doubt on the practice of Sat evening Mass fulfilling the obligation .

I just didn't want you to be misled by them .

Colin · Sep 4, 2011

underheaven said:
This is good and clear,but there is absolutely no biblical precedence
for saying that you must go weekly or it is a mortal sin,and to put the
idea of mortal sin in the head of a child ,one must be very careful,
for it is an adult concept,and a child cannot commit a mortal sin.

I fail to see how any child could fulfil the conditions for a sin to be mortal .

I also agree that we should take great care with how we deal with sin when a child's mind is concerned .

Guardian Angel · Sep 4, 2011

I spoke to three different priests about my 9 year old daughter missing mass while on a camping trip. They all gave me the same answer; that she did not sin since there was no way that she could get to mass on her own. Now if she was an adult and could drive to mass on her own, then there would be no excuse for missing mass on Sunday. She is away with friends (who are not Catholic, but Christian) who do not understand the Catholic obligation to attend mass on Sundays and Holy days. She will not be coming home until Tuesday, and I miss her dearly.

underheaven · Sep 4, 2011

St_Barnabus said:
So, in the opiinion of your parish priests, it is okay to commit a mortal sin THIS TIME, but in the future, she should let Mass take precedence over a fun thing. I do have to wonder how you worded your email for them to respond this way.

Suppose she wanted to do an overnighter [pajama party, perhaps] with some noncatholic friends who would not be getting up for mass the next morning. Is it more important to develop a good social life than offend God?

Your wrong ,it is NOT A MORTAL SIN.
As I said, it is this kind of Pharasitical Legalism that puts good
people ,who love Mass [and love Christ] from going inside churches
and enjoying the service.It is more like being in the 'police', than
serving a loving God/saviour.
To unstuck yourself,it might be a good idea to read more about the
Pharissees, and to read what the Roman Catholic,Theologian and
bible translator,Ronald L. Conte has to say on ''Is it a mortal sin to miss
mass on a sunday''?

underheaven · Sep 4, 2011

JimR-OCDS said:
The question by the OP is the same as a question that was debated years ago in CAF.

A family wants to go on a two week camping trip in the Alaskan wilderness where the parents know that there will be no opportunities to attend Mass. Would it be a sin for them to go?

The answer was no, it was not. The Church does not prohibit Catholics from taking vacation or business trips where it is known that they will not be able to attend Mass.

It is not a mortal sin for the girl to go on this camping trip.

Jim

I see your quote,and you are so correct. It is only through love
that we can 'grasp' God.
So many legalistic parents full of fear and guilt, pass onto their
children, a paralysing , rigid ,robotic faith, which only damages.
Our Faith in Christ is supposed to be healing,Practices uplifting,
teaching, joyful,and questioning.
If the church cannot give a good reason for beliefs to intelligent
people, it no longer fulfills it's role to lead the faithful to their
original God given state, of perfect harmony with a loving, brilliant
and loving God.
One does not need to instill fear while instilling good practice.
Lessons should be based on the assumption of innocense of a child ,
and be creative not heavy.Occasionally there are ones who need a
firmer touch but that should be based on experience.
We have to realise that in medieval or earlier times when society
was less civilised,we had to be stricter about many things,and
the church even had to engage in war to prevent loss of direction
or invasion of very and truly serious heresies.There would have been
no way to correct a heresy like that of Arianisme,or of the Cathars,
once they would have been accepted into mainstream Catholicism,
and so the founding fathers had to be very strict,but if we are as
strict with lesser 'sins',we undermine what we must truly avoid,
our scale of values becomes corrupted,and we do not really
learn to know and hear the 'voice' of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit within us thrives on :
1] loving Christ and trusting in Him,
2] learning and reading 'good' books.Now the internet gives us a
chance to learn more and more about God's world.
When someone does not know automatically what is good,and
what is bad,then he is needing to learn more ,question more
and above all self examine more in a forgiving but rigourous way.

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