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I've heard that's an effective way to tax-dodge.Well, he's a bullfrog so he's likely somewhere near water. Oh, wait, different Elijah.
Yeah that Elijah done gone to heaven.
Or at least that's what his friends are telling the authorities.
Oh, don't worry; he'll be back soon with Enoch.Well then you go get him. Tell him some skeptics wanna see him.
Don't you mean Jeremiah?Well, he's a bullfrog so he's likely somewhere near water. Oh, wait, different Elijah.
Juvenissun, obviously you have not seen Dad's non-stop use of the epistemological atomic bomb. He rolls right over Hume without a glance back.
So, I'm curious, why you would label Sandwiches request "like a question from a school kid".
I mean, it is hardly a question from a school kid. This is some pretty heavy, albeit intro epistemology.
I generally find your "dismissiveness" annoying and I'm willing to bet you won't engage in a substantive manner on this topic any more than you will on most geology topics.
Dad is playing in a part of the pool he doesn't even seem to understand, despite having it explained to him on numerous occasions. I've cited the various sources for Hume's writing and discussions of empiricism as well as the limits of empiricism.
Again, this isn't "kid stuff". Even if you, like most of us, were introduced to it when you were in undergrad in your philosophy classes, it is still pretty mind-bending and complex and doesn't reveal a clear answer.
It's effectively an "insoluble" problem in empiricism and that branch of epistemology.
I've heard that's an effective way to tax-dodge.
Edit: Wait a second... I think I might be onto something here.
New hypothesis:
Tax-dodging mastered long before modern economics!
Yes. Didn't you get the new one?Oh, don't worry; he'll be back soon with Enoch.
Didn't you get the memo?
Keep up...who says anything change WITH physical only present state stuff??If anything had changed with physical and chemical processes, we would find a completely different different set of properties between pre and post change. There are no differences in any physical or chemical properties of any substances on Earth or the observed universe.
I like that. It sounds so reasonable.Well, to be fair to Dad, our "uniformity of nature" assumption is somewhat foundational.
Indeed if, say, the rate of radioactive decay dramatically and systemically changed there would be some indication (excess heating or even radiation-induced damage in crystals etc.), but if one posits that all of physics could have hypothetically been different in the past in such a way that all things fall outside of our understanding of it, it would render our ability to draw reasonable conclusions into doubt.
This is precisely what Hume was running up against when he proposed Empiricism at it's extremes.
If the only way I know something, my only "epistemology" is via experiencing it, then I can't really draw conclusions on cause and effect. And indeed I cannot know that which I have not experienced.
The sun has always risen in the east and set in the west. I can only assume it will do the same tomorrow as I have no way to "experience" the absolute causal foundation of that effect.
? No. Life spans and tree growth were quite different. The heat from continents moving was negligible...etc.In the case of the "unobserved past" we have to rely on our "common sense" and an acquiescence that processes that occur today likely occured in the past at roughly the same rate and with roughly the same effects and responses.
It is by the bible that we know it was different. If it is from God, of course the clues about the future and past are stunningly accurate.What Dad wants to do is toss all that out. NOT to replace it with anything more robust but simply to decree the past "off limits" to any sort of understanding. Of course he will carve out an exception for the Bible. It comes from the distant past but it can be relied upon to give a perfect and accurate understanding of what occured.
I'm OK if Dad wants to drop the Epistemological Atomic Bomb on the discussion but I am not OK with him acting like it doesn't affect his own hypotheses about the past just because of some ex cathedra declaration.
That sounds like once saved always saved.Elijah isn't lost -- you are.
(Unless, of course, you actually got saved at one time, like you profess you did.)
I'd ask you for a reference that says that anywhere in any description of "Logic" but I know you wouldn't respond with anything that even remotely resembled "thought" or "consideration of the point".
Well, obviously Eve is one of the world's first geologists and we often reference her when doing our science.
Out of the mouths of babes and sucklings....Yup, evil to the core are we.
"True logic"? Sounds like a "True Scotsman". Well if it's above the mind of man how would you know anything about it?
Aspirin is a pill of the present state.And when your dancing results in painful joints you know where to come, dontcha? The ol' aspirin bottle. Too bad science works its nasty way in there when it is needed isn't it?
Need a picture of a boot? Maybe a little stain on the sole of a boot?Meet the Fire Ant:
Why? South of...what?Live for a while in the South and tell me what threatens you.
I think, truth be known that you try to come off as angels of light.Oh we don't even mask it anymore. We usually start science classes out with an acknowledgement to all that is evil and dark. Then we put on our magical robes of evil and cast magical incantations. Only then do we bother with collecting data and doing statisitcs.
Present state stuff, all. Nothing to do with the future or past.Yeah! Modern medicine? Ptewie! The computer? Who needs it? Ha! Electricity? What an evil crock! Science sux!
No more. Vile henchmen will learn to cower and hide.But it is the only way we can enforce our evil on the most unsuspecting in the world.
I won't. Really.Don't drink the kook aid, Dad. We wouldn't want you in science. You'd destroy us with your vast knowledge and super "True Logic"!
You tell us!
"Not too bright". Yup. That's us. I wish we were as smart as you!
The main principle governing logic is that God knows more than man.
Uhhhh. No. The main principle governing logic is valid inference.
No wonder they failed. Maybe they ought to have measured a sacred cow's knee, or a chop stick, or the degree of attraction between men in a Grecian army? Leave the actual thinking and logic to others.Formal logic was developed in ancient India, Greece, and China, 3 cultures without a copy of the Bible handy.
Abraham was a Chaldean from the city of Ur. They later when on to become the Babylon Empire. He was called to come out from among them. To separate himself from their error. Yet if you look at the remains of their cities today they were great builders. It was very impressive what they were able to do. The Assyrians for example were able to develop the wheel and along with the Mongolian horse they created an awesome war charoit. It looks like they sold them to nations like Egypt and Solomon in Israel. Today they are rather a strong Christian nation compared to other middle east nations.Uhhhh. No. The main principle governing logic is valid inference. Formal logic was developed in ancient India, Greece, and China, 3 cultures without a copy of the Bible handy.
Yipper --That sounds like once saved always saved.
Don't you mean Jeremiah?
I will not talk to you on geology. When you related anything to geology, I won't talk to you on that either. Sorry.
To be able to infer one must have at least a good part of the whole picture.
No wonder they failed. Maybe they ought to have measured a sacred cow's knee, or a chop stick, or the degree of attraction between men in a Grecian army? Leave the actual thinking and logic to others.
Especially when your zeal to ridicule causes you to type before you think, eh?Man, I knew I'd get that wrong. It's so hard to keep those Old Testament prophets straight!
Except man can't get to the far side of it to peek into heaven. However windows to that far side can and have been opened to earth, as in the flood. Science can't even get out of the flippin solar system!!!
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