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Wrong , Michael: The BICEP2 result was correctly stated to be "from the dawn of time" given the state of knowledge at the time....It turns out that the message Bicep2 saw wasn't from the dawn of time as first (falsely) advertised, it was actually a message from the *dust* of spacetime.
...snipped SDO delusion, ignorance of solar physics, some gibberish, etc. ...
Wrong Michael: You started this derail by citing 3 obviously invalid papers. That they were shown to be invalid 6 months ago in this forum and years ago elsewhere just emphasized the denial of basic science that shows that the idea of a neutron star inside the Sun is ridiculous.Right. RC drags up a thread that's almost 6 month's old and focuses on something *other* than the topic of the thread, and somehow that's all my fault.
MM, I've read a handful of Oliver Manuel's papers. I've even heard him speak at an APS meeting. Based on my scientific assessment of Manuel's 'work', when GeeMack says
I agree wholeheartedly. You have no way of confirming this, but my physics research overlaps to an uncannily large degree with Manuel's. I mostly do experimental nuclear, particle, and neutrino physics but I've also forayed into stellar interiors (and unusual nuclear physics therein), the solar wind, and geochemistry (including meteorites). If you can find a point in Manuel's "model" that you think is worth defending, let's see it.Oliver Manuel is a crackpot who has postulated a wholly impossible version of the way the Sun is constructed. His numbers are nonsense. His papers on the issue are constructed, at least in part, on complete lies. He's a fraud.
Faced with the realities of the known physics of neutron stars, I assert that the idea that our own sun could have a neutron star or neutron star fragment anywhere inside itself is absurd in the extreme.
Wrong , Michael: The BICEP2 result was correctly stated to be "from the dawn of time" given the state of knowledge at the time.
Guth came out after reading the first disaster of a paper and claimed that it was "Nobel Prize worthy" material. I read section 9 and about died laughing about how amateurish it was!The Planck dust map published months after the BICEP2 paper means that is probable that the BICEP2 results are incorrect.
I've cited Peratt's book (which you've never read) to demonstrate that you're in pure denial, and you remain in pure denial to this day. An "actual electrical discharge" was discussed by Dungey and others back in the 50's, and Peratt's definition of an electrical discharge in plasma is defined as a *release of stored EM energy*, not a breakdown of a dielectric! You've refused to produce a single published quote from a real paper that defines it *your personal way* RC. Why is that do you suppose?The delusion that actual electrical discharges (like lightning) can happen in plasmas has been explained to you before, Michael - see my signature.
Your use of loaded language (like idiocy and delusional) is another perfect example of your *cheating* in debate. Since you refuse to read a textbook on MHD theory, and you don't know anything about discharges in plasma, you're reduced to childish personal insults. How pathetic. Are you *ever* going to read an actual textbook on MHD theory, or did you intend to argue this topic from ignorance for the rest of your life?The idiocy that there is no evidence for the big bang has raised its ugly head so some basic cosmology: What is the evidence for the Big Bang?
Wrong Michael: You started this derail by citing 3 obviously invalid papers.
You don't know the first thing about plasma physics RC because you refuse to read a textbook on the topic, including the fact that electrical discharges occur in plasma as Dungey wrote about *decades* ago, and which Birkeland and his group described in their experiments *over a century ago*!That they were shown to be invalid 6 months ago in this forum and years ago elsewhere just emphasized the denial of basic science that shows that the idea of a neutron star inside the Sun is ridiculous.
Errors in Michael's site XI (Dr. Oliver Manuel was wrong)!
Ben's points are completely irrelevant by way, not to mention *unpublished*. The *calculated* number that Manuel used came from actual experimention. The *number used to reflect neutron decay rates* and energy release was simply a "standard" number since it made little or no difference to his point anyway.
Nah. Ben didn't even make any attempt to ask any questions about the mass of the neutron core or the model. He simply made up the numbers as he went, *unpublished* numbers of course.ETA: With those ten lines of Mathematica, I have now written ten lines more stellar-structure code than the theory's author did himself. emphasize the (stellar) lack of stellar physics displayed in Manuel's papers.
Tim (like Ben) simply ignored the charge repulsion and spin components entirely. Yawn.ETA2: On the Solar Neutron-Star Core by Tim Thompson also points out the runaway fusion of Manuel's model
Yes - and I have pointed out how invalid those papers were and that this is easily seen as other people have pointed out:No. *Six full months* ago, I cited three published papers on the topic of astronomy that I've been involved in because someone asked me.
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Yes - and I have pointed out
A "positively charged "crust" " of a neutron star fantasy pops up!
That's complete nonsense. Somov's example *includes* two "currents" (AKA plasma filaments) in his so called "vacuum" which *move* (particle acceleration) as a result of the change in the magnetic fields. You can't even understand a simple *diagram*! You searched the term "vacuum" and that's all you heard or understood apparently.And talking about hijacking the thread - you mention the delusion that magnetic reconnection only happens in plasma when the derivation that it does not need plasma is clear as in W.D. Clinger's explanation!
This is basic textbook stuff: Cosmic plasma physics By Boris V. Somov has 2 sections
4.4.2 Reconnection in vacuum
4.4.3 Reconnection in plasma
Magnetic reconnection in vacuum is a trivial physical process which is why the more interesting magnetic reconnection in plasma is only mentioned in Wikipedia.
Michael, that is a lie about Somov's section with the title "Reconnection in vacuum" which is followed by a section called "Reconnection in plasma"....usual insults snipped...
Somov's example *includes* two "currents" (AKA plasma filaments)...
Michael, that is a lie about Somov's section with the title "Reconnection in vacuum" which is followed by a section called "Reconnection in plasma".
Boloney. There are two moving streams of plasma, AKA *Birkeland currents* flowing through Somovs vacuum. The displacement of the streams of current are the *particle acceleration* component that *requires* plasma! Face it. Plasma is not "optional" in the process called "magnetic reconnection".There are two currents (no quotes!) that are not plasma filaments
Somov's example is A) inclusive of plasma (current), and B) inclusive of plasma particle acceleration. Clinger failed on both key points.Magnetic reconnection is a physical process in highly conducting plasmas in which the magnetic topology is rearranged and magnetic energy is converted to kinetic energy, thermal energy, and particle acceleration.
Gee, who would have guessed you would cite yourself some more and fail again to cite any author that ever claimed that electrical discharges are "impossible" in plasma?We will have to revisit the lack of reading comprehension you displayed about this textbook in the JREF forum, Michael dating from 7th November 2011 to 16th March 2012.
I will point out something that you have not grasped after almost 3 years RC. You don't understand MHD theory or even the basics of MHD theory because you've never bothered to educate yourself. Nobody claimed it has to occur "at the currents". That's another of your strawman arguments. The problem is that *plasma particle acceleration* is not "optional".ETA: I will point out something that you still have not grasped after almost 3 years, Michael: The actual magnetic reconnection does not happen at the currents.
BZZZT. The reason the currents can *move* is because they are composed of ordinary plasma. If it were a "solid", it would actually be nothing more than an example of *magnetic attraction". The conversion of magnetic field energy into *particle movement* isn't optional RC, no matter how much you try to deny it.If someone were obsessing about making the currents physical then we could have them as wires in glass tubes passing through a vacuum chamber containing no plasma.
You can't "debunk" something you don't even begin to understand. Somov's example was *inclusive* of the highlighted quote from WIKI, whereas Clinger's example was *exclusive* of them. That's Clinger's error in a nutshell. You and the entire crew at JREF are utterly incompetent in the realm of MHD theory *by choice* in your case.Magnetic reconnection would still happen around the neutral point (X in the diagram you have generously provided to debunk your own claim of plasma filaments)
Somov's textbook is not the only source that describes magnetic reconnection in a vacuum:
1990IAUS..142..271P Page 271
Strike two. Their example, like Somov's example and Priest's example *includes* A) plasma (corona, chromosphere) and B) plasma particle accelation. Strike two.
Strike three. They *included* ions, electrons and particle acceleration in their example.The origins of electrical resistivity in magnetic reconnection (MR in vacuum)
Gee, who would have guessed that you would persist in the denial of science and English displayed in the following posts, Michael!Gee, .....
The point is that you lied about the diagram, Michael :The diagram comes straight from the reference you cited RC.
...snipped lies about Somov's "Reconnection in vacuum" section...
..snipped insults...
The ignorance behind of citing a Wikipedia article on magnetic reconnection in plasma to refute a textbook section on magnetic reconnection in vacuum has escaped you, Michael.
Bzzzt. Epic Fail. Strike one of ignoring the contents of a paper since 8th March 2012...fantasies about Somov's textbook section snipped...
1990IAUS..142..271P Page 271
Magnetic reconnection on the sun, Priest 1990
In a vacuum, magnetic reconnection is a trivial process...
Strike two of ignoring the contents of a paper since 8th March 2012Strike two.
...snipped fantasy about Somov and ignorance about Priest's paper...
Aspects of Three-Dimensional Magnetic Reconnection - (Invited Review); Priest & Schrijver
"A CD-ROM attached to this paper presents the results of a toy model of vacuum reconnection..."
Strike three of ignoring the contents of a paper since 8th March 2012 !Strike three.
(my emphasis added)The origins of electrical resistivity in magnetic reconnection: Studies by 2D and 3D macro particle simulations
"A gedanken experiment that illustrates the meaning of electrical
resistivity for magnetic reconnection (a) in vacuum, and (b) in a plasma
(dots represent plasma ions and electrons). The currents J1 and J2 flow
in the flux bundles, while J3 in the plasma does not exist initially and is
induced by the electric field Et during the reconnection process."
How do you really feel about Michael?
The point is that you lied about the diagram, Michael :
Yes there are. It's a cross section of two streams of current, with the + signs marking the plasma particles that are flowing in the 3 dimensional current filament.* There no plasma filaments in the caption.
Technically yes there are. If you can take a cross section of a it, it's a three dimensional moving stream of current. You're apparently just lying to yourself.* There are no plasma filaments in the description of the diagram in the section.
False again. There are two identified currents and identified centers of those currents. Those *charged particles* which are identified with the + sign also *move*. You and Clinger left out the plasma current and the plasma particle movement. Epic fail! When are you going to actually read a textbook on this topic RC?* There are no plasma filaments in the entire section!
I am disappointed in his inability to comprehend English as displayed in the simple fact that a textbook section called "Reconnection in vacuum" does not contain any plasma. Or read the electrical discharges link in my signature to see how he cannot understand that different authors use different definitions of it.How do you really feel about Michael?
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