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Mel Gibson's "Passion"

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There was an excellent article about Mel Gibson's movie, "The Passion," in
the New Yorker a couple of weeks ago. As I read it I was struck by something:
that Mel keeps repeating that he wants the movie to be strictly accurate to the
Gospels, and that he wants it to show the Crucifixion in all its brutal
horror. And it struck me that this is not, in fact, the way the Gospels tell the
story. Here's the piece, and I'll add a few more notes below. My title for it was
"The Meaning of His Suffering."

***
What Mel Missed
There's a reason why the gospels don't dwell on the blood and gore of the
crucifixion.

...


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Excellent reference, Oblio. I have a few comments:


This is one of things the left me unhappy with Protestantism and caused me to look elsewhere. How could it be that our loving Heavenly Father kept a record our debts and demand payment for it? Is that truly forgiveness? How does that agree with the prayer our Lord taught us:

And forgive us our debts,
As we forgive our debtors.​

Are we to demand a sacrifice before we forgive? Of course not. Consider one of Christ’s parables:

Matthew 18:22-27 (NKJV)
22Jesus said to him, "I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. 23Therefore the kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24And when he had begun to settle accounts, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. 25But as he was not able to pay, his master commanded that he be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and that payment be made. 26The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, "Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.' 27Then the master of that servant was moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt.​

The master forgives the servant’s debt. He does not demand that another pay it. When the prodigal son returns, does the father demand his inheritance be returned? Does he require someone else to compensate him? Certainly not. I wonder how much this misunderstanding contributes to the Western debate of Justification and Works vs. Faith.
 
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Here's a follow-up from Frederica:

I've had a lot of response from conservative Christian friends to the Beliefnet column I sent out yesterday--

Some of the response seems to be based in confusion, so I wanted to follow up with clarification. Don't feel you have to read this if you're not interested in these details; this isn't a new published article.

I'd like to pinpoint where the actual disagreement is. First, here's where I think we don't disagree.

--I expect that Mel's movie will be a powerful witness and help many revive or begin a commitment to Christ.

--Mel stands as an artist in a longstanding tradition of depicting the Passion graphically; as an artist, he is free to depict it any way he wants.

--Mel is historically accurate; the events really were that bloody.

Here's what snagged my curiosity. In the NYer article Mel says "I want it very bloody" and "just like in the Gospels." It had never occured to me before that the Gospels do not depict it as very bloody. Reality was very bloody, but when the writers of the Gospels came to that point in the story, they made a different choice than Mel does.

I thought further about this. I knew that the history of graphically bloody Crucifixes and Passion meditations goes back to medieval times, but before that I lose the thread. Starting at the other end, with the relatively restrained Gospels, and moving forward, I didn't know of any examples of early devotional writing that dwelt on the Passion using this tone of compassionate empathy. The early liturgies for Good Friday have a subtly different flavor--awe and gratitude for the suffering, rather than identifying with it. Early depictions of the Crucifixion are more like the Gospel of John--Jesus is serene and regal. Why did they choose to portray it that way? When did this change, and why?

Now at this point I'm not talking about Mel's movie any more, but about history. My goal was never attack the movie, but to use his one comment as a jumping-off place for exploration. I think however because of the way Beliefnet titled and packaged the piece it came across as Mel-bashing. My goal was a more comprehensive exploration of changing views of Jesus' suffering. My title was "The Meaning of His Suffering," which is why that's still the last line in the piece.

I discovered of course that depiction of the Passion has changed over the centuries depending on what people thought it meant to our salvation. It's actually not useful to turn to Scripture to settle the argument, because everybody believes their view is based in Scripture. (Translation can cause problems, too, for example "propitiation" instead of "expiation," though the term really has no perfect English equivalent.) People who espouse one view accuse opponents of ignoring the Scriptures they think most pertinent, and vice-versa.

But what we see is three distinct viewpoints, which arise at different points in history. This is news to many people; it has never occured to them that sincere believers read the bible differently in the ancient past. But the history really isn't in dispute. I was taught it thirty years ago in Episcopal seminary. (The best short summary of this history is "Christus Victor," by the Lutheran theologian Gustav Aulen, and I highly recommend it.) Scholars and historians agree that this shift occurred; the disagreement among believers is what you should do about it.

Some (like me) believe you should always adhere to the earliest consistent understanding in any theological question. Others say that later explanations may be better, more thorough or logical ("development of doctrine"), even if it reframes understanding of the question. And still others say that God is always doing a new thing, and may even appear to reverse himself; it's wrong to be locked to the past, change is good. Basically, three positions.

That's the core of our disagreement--whether you cling to the earliest understanding, or later development, or a "new thing" altogether. That's the point where conversation should take place.

***continued...
 
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Here's the boring historical part. If you're with me so far, you don't necessarily have to read it. But if you're confused, keep going.

Many of my correspondents don't know this history and insist instead that the Blood Atonement theory is the earliest. It just isn't so. They believe this because they find evidence for it in the Scriptures, but as I've said, this is a matter of your favorite Scriptures lighting up for you, in accord with how you've been taught.

The appearance in history of the Blood Atonement, or Substitutionary, theory can actually be located pretty precisely, in the work "Cur Deus Homo?" ("Why Did God Become Man?") by Anselm, Bishop of Canterbury, in the 11th century. Anselm's idea is foreshadowed in some earlier writers, like Tertullian, but it was not the general view.

The general view of the early church was not as crisp, as thorough, as Anselm's. And this is why Catholic and Protestant theologians have seen Anselm's theory as a great advance. Henry Bettenson, in his anthology "Documents of the Christian Church," calls "Cur Deus Homo," "one of the few books that can truly be called epoch-making."

Catholic and Protestants have never claimed that Anselm's Blood-Atonement theory is the earliest; they've said it is the best. It was a breakthrough. That implies something else came before.

Anselm's theory, as we know, is that our sins create an overwhelming offense against God's honor, a debt. God cannot merely excuse this offense and wipe the debt away, because it constitutes an objective wrong in the universe; justice would be knocked out of balance. There must be punishment.

Anselm: "Let us consider whether God could properly remit sin by mercy alone without satisfaction. So to remit sin would be simply to abstain from punishing it. And since the only possible way of correcting sin, for which no satisfaction has been made, is to punish it, not to punish it is to remit it uncorrected. But God cannot properly leave anything uncorrected in his kingdom. Moreover, to remit sin unpunished would be treating the sinful and sinless alike, which would be incongruous to God's nature. And incongruity is injustice. It is necessary, therefore, that either the honor taken away should be repaid, or punishment should be inflicted."

He goes on to say that "no sinner can make" complete satisfaction for sin. "None can make this satisfaction except God. And none ought to make it except man...One must make it who is both God and man."

Because Christ did not deserve to suffer for us, but paid the debt voluntarily, he "ought not to be without reward...If the Son chose to make over the claim he had on God to man, could the Father justly forbid him doing so, or refuse to man what the Son willed to give him?"

I think most of you will recognize this. It is the standard view of traditional Catholics and Protestants.

During the Enlightenment theologians began to criticize this theory as legalistic, as too rooted in the Old Testament and not enough in the New, as portraying a God who hardly seems to be one of love. They began to develop an alternative theory which was little concerned with punishment of sin; instead, Christ's sacrifice was meant to move and inspire, so that we voluntarily return to God, and God is moved to reconcile with us. This theory is called "exemplary" because Jesus is the example rather than the sacrifice. It's proponents claimed to root their view in Abelard, a younger critic of Anselm. The big debate in the 19th century cast these two views as "objective" and "subjective."

Because of this, conservative Christians in the West are disposed to see any attack on the Substitutionary theory as a move toward liberalism.

That is not so. There is a whole third viewpoint, which prevailed throughout the first millennium, and continues outside Western Christianity today.

***

Now I'm going to describe this theory. Though I've described it from time to time in my writing, I have a hunch that no non-Orthodox could explain it back to me, because its simply too unfamiliar. It's strange to us; its premodern. It has the Devil in it. A theory so odd doesn't fit any of our categories, so as soon as we read about it we forget it.

I've heard that you have to be exposed to an unfamiliar idea seven times before you remember it. So read this section seven times. Without grasping this alternative classic theory, we fall back into presuming that, if it ain't substitutionary, it's modern, liberal, and bad.

This theory, in short, does not consider the possibility that God could not just forgive us. It presumes that he *does* just forgive us. The thing that so troubled Anselm--the image of a great offense against God that could not be paid or remitted--didn't occur to the early church.

However, "the wages of sin is Death." Because we are sinners, we are captives of Death. The term means more than mortality: it is a package including the Devil, evil spirits, temptation to sin, and so forth, "the Tyrant." We have sinful hearts that incline to choose self, and this cooperation with Evil keeps us infected with the seeds of our own destruction. We are responsible for our own fate, because we cooperate with Evil. We are powerless to escape this fate.

Note that the emphasis is not on sins being an offense against God. It is more organic, like a disease inside a person. But imagine that the person loves and caresses the disease, and joins his will to it in affirmation. What can be done? What would a loving parent do?

The classic view sees God the Father and Christ his Son agreeing to rescue lost humanity. The Son must actually go into the realm of Death and break it open. He sets the captives free.

The Cross is a high point in this story. But it is part of a complete story that begins with Christ's decision to become human, as we see in the Phillippians 2 hymn. It proceeds through the Resurrection and is crowned by the Ascension and "sitting at the right hand" and even the final Judgement. The whole story is what saves us. (by the way, salvation is organic too, and transforms the entire person; its not merely the legal remission of sin. It's called theosis.)

When I was researching this a few years ago I asked some Patristic scholars what I should read to get a handle on the early church theory of the Atonement. They replied that there really isn't one, in terms of Western thinking. The best thing to read would be "On the Incarnation," written by young Athanasius about 318. I kept saying, No, I'm not asking about the Incarnation, I'm asking about the Atonement. They said, It's the same thing. Salvation is the whole story. (You can probably find "On the Incarnation" on line; its not very long. I like the edition published by St Vladimir's Seminary Press, which has a great introduction by C S Lewis.)

Here's an example of how little the early church dwelt on the pain of the Passion. Athanasius asks rhetorically, If the whole point of the rescue was to get Jesus into Hades, why did he have to be crucified? Why couldn't he just have died peacefully as an old man? (You might be wondering that yourself about now.)

Athanasius reels off a lot of reasons in reply: that the Author of Life could not have possibly gotten sick, that the Crucifixion was a public death and so Christians wouldn't be accused of faking it. But he never says that it was necessary for Jesus to suffer in order to pay our debt.

It was necessary for him to suffer in order to get into Hades, yes. It was the price of admission. But not a punishment. Christ achieved our deliverance at the cost of his blood, but it was not a payment.

As I said, the early church writers did not try to work out a theory as crisp and complete as Anselm's. They agreed on the central reality--Christ went into Hades and set us free--but did not establish any detailed explanation of how it took place. The language in Scripture about "ransom" and "sacrifice" was explored poetically, without an attempt to establish explicit doctrine. Gregory Nazianzus says that such language is always bound to lead to uncertainty. If a "ransom" is paid to a kidnapper, it wasn't paid to God; God wasn't holding us hostage. But if it was paid to the Devil, the very idea is outrageous. The Devil was a usurper and had no right to fair payment. It couldn't be a sacrifice in payment to the Father, because the Father would not even accept the sacrifice of Isaac--how much more appalling would be the sacrifice of his own Son. So, Gregory concludes, we just can't press these images too hard.

It definitely cost Jesus his life's blood to rescue us. It was a ransom in that sense. He offered it in obedience to the Father. It was a sacrifice in that sense. When the sacrifice to the Father was explored in more depth and likened to Temple sacrifice, as in Hebrews, it was treated poetically, typologically, not literally.

It was this softness of logic that makes the classic theory frustrating to Western Christians, and elicits impatience. The answer "It's a mystery" sounds like "it's unreliable". Here we must note another influence on our thinking: the Scholastic movement and Thomas Aquinas. In the West we developed a tradition of vigorous intellectual inquiry, and to some extent divided this from popular piety, so that theology became a realm for experts. (An aside: this worship-study split shades into a heart-mind split, and I speculate is one reason Western worship services, heavy on emotion, are attended by more women than men. It's not that men are intrinsically less religious--look at Islam and Orthodox Judaism.)

It's hard for us to imagine a Christians culture in which people didn't pursue a theological question to the very end. The compensation is that study and worship are united, so that what we understand moves us to love God, and love moves us to deeper understanding. It would be strange to even to think of those as two different functions, because we are a unity. There are things we don't particularly need to know in order to live on this earth and follow our Lord. Early Christians would say that the exact mechanism of the Atonement is one of those things. We know that Christ has rescued us from the Evil One, and that we must exercise constant vigilance to keep from hurling ourselves voluntarily back into the pit. That's all we need to know.

To answer the initial question of "When did treatment of Jesus' suffering change?" it appears that graphic meditation on the Passion begins about the 14th century. In medieval times, too, the depiction of the Devil is reduced in significance, and he becomes a semi-comic figure. In the substitutionary atonement there is really no role for the Devil; the whole transaction is between Christ and the Father, so the Devil fades away (not in reality, of course).

I've been Orthodox ten years and only recently begun to see how different these views of the Atonement are. Every step of the way as these paths diverge they lead to divergent views of everything else: what sin is, what forgiveness is, what the Father's love is like, even the problem of evil (in the Christian east the West's big question, "how can a good God permit evil?" doesn't occur; we know evil is in the world because our sins keep polluting it, keep opening the door. Our sins empower the Evil One, and he delights in hurting the innocent, not only because he enjoys their suffering, but relishes the grief of observers as well.)

An unfamiliar idea like this is disruptive and unsettling, and prompts floods of other questions. I may not have time to answer them all. But I hoped, by this message, to at least lay out the groundwork.
 
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Christus Victor, by the Lutheran theologian and Bishop Gustav Aulen

Is one of the books that paved the path to Orthodoxy for me. As a Lutheran that book was an eye opener, to the fact that Anslem's view of atonement was not the classical Christian view of atonement.
Thank You brewmama for your posts.
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A great little book. I've got a soft copy as I really prefer to read from a real book.

I printed out and read a essay on christian-thinktank.com that outlined the Christus Victor Theology, definately one of my stepping stones to Orthodoxy. I've never gone back and reviewed it after coming home, but it got me thinking, and affirmed that the usual Western Protestant theology was lacking in certain areas.
 
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There are several problems inherent in the whole notion of a "passion play" of any kind, but I'd like to comment on the decidedly Roman Catholic import of this film.

As many have observed here, the Gospels do not in fact give a gory, graphic description of the Passion - they're actually quite restrained. Worth mentioning also, is that the phenomenon of having "meditations" upon the specific events of the Passion, are a phenomenon of later western spirituality, and are not part of the earlier western/Orthodox Tradition.

This is not to say that in Orthodoxy there is not a full acknowledgement of the importance and value of Golgotha - but there is a decided lack of meditation (in particular, via mental images) upon the particular pains of the Passion, let alone one imbued with a uniquely Anslemnian outlook on the satisfactory nature of the Cross.

Like most distortions, the latter day west's is one of exageration and omission.

Exageration, in that it takes one analogy for the work of redemption (a judicial/adversarial one), and applies it in an overly literal manner to God Who is in fact passionless (thus not truly "angry" in the way men are angry), and is taken so far as to create an absurdity (which in one basic respect, makes it seem as if the Father and the Son are of two different wills, which is blasphemy.)

However, the other side of this is omission - the omission being that the "judicial" analogy is only one analogy found in the Holy Scriptures to speak of this subject. Forgotten is the notion of inconquerable Life overcoming death, of Light which cannot be overwhelmed (but rather displaces) darkness. Forgotten is the ransom of those kept captive by satan, who unjustly has asserted power over those whose faith had justified them before God (such as the righteous Fathers who Christ liberated from hades when He died via the "harrowing of hell".) Forgotten is Christ the "strongman", Who binds the devil (the "god of this world"), and takes his ill gotten spoils and dispenses them to His Saints.

The exageration, and the incomplete vision, created an incorrect spirituality, which in turn feeds those same misconceptions - it's the praxis/doctrine relationship at work ("you pray what you believe, you believe what you pray".)

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With all due respect, I find it a little misleading to equate a legalistic western view of Salvation History with the Catholic view. Though the west has at times gotten legalistic, the Catholic Church as a whole does not possess an "incomplete vision" or "an incorrect spirituality." I believe our conversations on this forum have, hopefully, shown both Orthodox and Catholic believers that we are not doctrinally as different as we once thought. It is my prayer that we can come to understand one another, free from misconceived notions, so our dialouge can bear fruit.

God Bless,

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But Neal, historically speaking, isn't it true? Isn't it accurate to say that Anselm started a new way of looking at atonement? I really don't think that it's an irreconcilable difference, it's just that we don't want to go there.

I'm a little puzzled by the Catholic reactions so far, (this came up again somewhere else) unless it is due to your perceiving us as being self-righteous about it. If that is the case, then you have my most abject apologies. And I'm sure Frederica Mathewes-Green did not mean it that way either, she is a most docile apologist.
 
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Two observations:

One, while it's true that the Gospels don't go into a great lot of grisly detail about the actual effects of crucifixion, keep in mind that everybody at the time knew exactly what happened when somebody was crucified.

As an analogy, if you were to ask anybody in the 11th century what happened when somebody was fried in an electric chair, they wouldn't know what you were talking about---but a 20th century person who had observed such an execution could.

My point being that Mel is still being accurate, in two ways: he's being faithful to the Gospel accounts, and he's being faithful to what we know about crucifixion from historical accounts. The fact that he blended the two in an offhand statement about how he wanted it "bloody just like in the Gospels" is irrelevant. It's still accurate nevertheless.

Two, while there has been a lot of outcry against his movie by certain people who have not seen it and who are anticipating results from it that will probably never happen, it is refreshing to have a huge amount of turmoil over a motion picture because of its Scriptural and historical accuracy, rather than its portrayal of Catholic clergy as perverts, rapacious sadists, or greedy power-mad meglomaniacs, such as the recent disgusting offerings like Priest, Dogma, The Magdelene Sisters, or "Corpus Christi".

One thing about Mel: he is a devout Christian, and that's a heckuva lot more than can be said for Kevin Smith (apostate Catholic and anti-Catholic), Terrence McNally (gay and anti-Catholic), and Bob and Harvey Weinstein (secular Jews and anti-Catholic).

Having controversy over a movie that actually treats Christian beliefs respectfully is downright satisfying.
 
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I understand everyone's views shared here. However, I do think, that although the Gospels do not directly depict horror during Christ's crucifiction - we know it happened.

As Christians, if we chose to see Mel's movie (and I plan to) we have the descernment needed to weed out anything that may not correctly portray Christs final hours. The trailor that I saw did bother me - however, only because I see the movie (regardless of error) as a fact - Christ was crucified for us - it touched me.



I Agree.

As for the unsaved and the like who will see this movie for whatever reason (be it the horror, or to mock our beliefs - or for just a good watch) I am sure, regardless of their beliefs - they too will be touched. Perhaps begin to wonder....did this really happen? Was there a Christ - and did He suffer like that for me? If they begin to ask themselves such question... That is a start.

Personally, it is nice to see a Hollywood actor (and one of my favorites) stand up for his Christ! - Our Christ!

For those who want to see a preview - go here.
http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2004/NOPQR/Passion_The/trailer-page.html
 
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brewmama said:
(The best short summary of this history is "Christus Victor," by the Lutheran theologian Gustav Aulen, and I highly recommend it.)
Like another poster here, this book was excellent and I recommend it. Bp Aulen was indeed a good scholar on this issue and many others.

As an aside, when I attended seminary we discussed all the various theories of the atonement, but in the end although each had its merits the danger of falling into the classic protestant paradigm of saying too much was the thing to watch out for. Too often people get hungup on the various atonement theories but we have to be careful not to add to the faith by saying more than we have recieved.

I think Mel is doing the best with what we have right now. If the movie is indeed merely the Gospel account combined with historical records on the actual effects of execution by crucifixion then really he is being loyal to what he has available and has recieved, and probably not going to say either too much or too little in the film. Interesting that most of the accounts of the movie by reviewers have all felt that the movie is powerful and moving- and that's what it should be.

 
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just on a side note, James Caviezel (the actor who plays Jesus Christ) spoke at a Catholic high school a couple weeks ago. He basically gave his testimony, an added a couple interesting facts about the movie. When looking for an actor to play Jesus, Mel Gibson was somehow lead to look for someone with the initials; "JC" and who is 33 years of age. This is how he got the role. Another nice piece of information, is when gibson was asked about how the the movie was made in an interview, he said something to the effect of; sitting back and letting the holy spirit guide him...quite extraordinary words coming from a holywood actor. As was mentioned above, the controversy is also another good point, as it should be expected. Everything considered, I am leaning to the belief that God had His hand in the making of this movie, and am very much looking forward to seeing it.
 
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