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McCain flip-flop? New position for Rep party on abortion?

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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4824779&page=1

Well this is an interesting development. On the one hand, we are assured by some that he will stay the course, yet on the other hand, he is making his desires well known that he wishes to chance the republican party stance on their official position with abortion. Pro-choice republican party? I think it has been the true position of the reps anyway, by practice at least. Not that the average rep voter is aware of anyway, or cares. But not speaking for all reps, there are a few shining stars left in leadership positions, too bad they get less than roughly 1% vote though, when it comes to real positions of power.

Rape, incest and danger. Still equals pro-death. I wonder how more often reports of rape will go up if this happens, I mean if one is set to murder, what is a little lie to get the ball rolling? As for mother in danger, we still practice general medicine using leaches or something?
 

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Out of all the people the USA has had run for president from Ronald Reagan on, I think the only one not acting in order to get into office was the actor.
ya, the whole process is a joke imo. In the past 5 years I've really gotten turned off with politics - and honestly, I'm not fully blaming the politicians for all of this, it's PEOPLE who vote 1/2 of these idiots into office.

We either need to be better informed and start waking up to who we're voting for, start voting when we don't, or demand a better system be put in place in order to get some quality leaders... or we just get what we deserve
 
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Interesting development? You may want to look about a third of the way down the page and see the video where he got into a heated discussion with Bush about this same subject matter back in 2000. How is that a new development or "flipping?"

As Nadiine said . . . none of us (who run even remotely politically conservative) are thrilled about him being our republican candidate because of his liberal tendencies. Now the liberal media (abc news) want to try and hang him because he WANTS to add some of their liberal lingo the RNC platform??? How's that work? Too funny . . .
 
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I'll tell you what happened...

We started playing the game with Democrats because something had to be done about the onslaught of left wing politics being presented in the form of legislation. The Republican Party started taking positions on issues, and lost sight of the core of the Reagan revolution...

Either the Constitution is amended to weigh in on the matter for the federal government or, the answer is… a state issue whether for or against whatever the issue is.


The United States Constitution was originally written to reflect a federal government that was extremely limited in legislative authority. The things that were given to the federal government as things that they could control was spelled out in clear and very unambiguous language and in Article 1, Section of the Constitution it even spells out exactly what those limits of power are.


The Civil War happened and one of the results was that the federal government, that is the mandate for the exercise of federal authority over states, was set. The cause was good, but the results ended up being a Republic killer. In particular the 14th Amendment, which was written as a post Civil War reconstruction amendment, has been used to expand the authority of the federal government to such a degree that the notion of the state being the seat of power in the United "States" was swept aside because we couldn't use the Constitution to iron out our differences. The south lost the war, but were kicking against the goad in an attempt to keep from being forced to accept equality for all human beings regardless of race in particular.


The14th Amendment was introduced to allow the federal government to intervene in the affairs of a state who purposed to deprive citizens of this country of life, liberty and property. It reads...
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
So here we are talking about the issue of abortion in a federal Presidential political campaign. Why is that?

The first thing we need to recognize is that we really should address abortion through the Constitution. It wont work, but we need to go through the process. Two amendments need to be introduced. One to declare abortion a right, and the other to declare when life begins and to protect it past that point. The latter would stand a very good chance of passage if it was reasonably presented (e.g. 3rd trimester with access to special courts if the mother's life was in danger).

The answer needs to be that we restore the Constitutional Republic and deal with the issue as the Founding Father's had intended us to deal with these types of issues. Where we failed in the process that led to the Civil War was that they lined up on either side of the issue and gathered the political power necessary to win the debate. The result was that it ended up in a stalemate and the southern states were content to allow slavery in particular remain exactly where it was... stalled. The war itself erupted because the federal government was pressuring the southern states, and they wanted to maintain their sovereignty as guaranteed by the United States Constitution and were willing to fight for it.

The south was actually correct on the issue, but of course morally wrong for refusing to apply the human rights guaranteed under the Constitution to all human beings regardless of their race. The result is that we have turned into a nation that is top heavy in federal, who has lost the vision of the Founding Fathers in a Constitutional Republic of limited government and power, and one who is now entering a stage where the issues that separate the right from the left are beginning to boil. We can not afford as a nation to be sucked into another set of circumstances like those that led to the Civil War, and as much as I oppose abortion and any political candidate who supports it, I believe the true answer lies within fixing the Republic.
 
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I didn't say new, I said interesting. I also said development, which any photographer knows is a process that takes time and many steps.
Sadly, I think that there are more steps to come
 
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Exactly. He is viewed by most in the Republican party, myself included, as
the "lesser of the evils" between Obama, Clinton and himself. None of us that
I am aware of are glad he is in the race.


 
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As for the civil war and the results of it, I wouldn’t say it was astray, only in recent times have we fallen into this mess. Only since Clinton did we really begin the real slide down hill. Most of it, I am convinced, and I think angels could not persuade me otherwise, that our current state is wholly due to the moral decay of this country. Even if we forsake the republic and democracy, and exchange it for communism, but in that wholly give ourselves to God the Son, this nation would yet prosper, even more so than it does now since we as a nation have FORSAKEN God (in the process of).
The handwriting is on the wall.

(note: not supporting communism, just using the most gullible and backwards example)
 
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Well even abortion proponents know when life begins (at conception) unfortunately to
appease themselves and those they want to deceive (those who are willing to be deceived)
they added a word to life and that word was "viable".
Which attempts to strip away the little human life of its right to live,
if it cannot sustain itself outside the womb. They assign the little
human life impersonal names such as zygote, so that they sound more
like an inferior disease, leech, or albatross.
They use palatable phrases such as "terminating a pregnancy"
When the truth is it is terminating a life.

Those that are viable, they deliver all of the baby except
three inches of its poor little head inside the birth canal
and just stab in the back of the head with a pair of scissors
and insert a vacuum hose and suck their brains out and call this
"legal".

I agree with you that whether it would work or not, it needs to
be addressed through the Constitution.



 
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I didn't say new, I said interesting. I also said development, which any photographer knows is a process that takes time and many steps.
Sadly, I think that there are more steps to come

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize this was a thread for photographers! I thought we were discussing McCain's "developing" flip on abortion. My bad
 
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Well, unless the angels are dark angels from the pit, I highly doubt they would attempt to persuade your thinking otherwise. Israel didn't get away with their spiritual adultery, and neither will we.


 
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Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize this was a thread for photographers! I thought we were discussing McCain's "developing" flip on abortion. My bad
Need I explain it in another sense? Is it just not registering? I'll explain it another way if you have difficulty with how I put it there, wouldn't be a problem.
 
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Need I explain it in another sense? Is it just not registering? I'll explain it another way if you have difficulty with how I put it there, wouldn't be a problem.


only if your op was not made clear on purpose or misleading to begin with. . . otherwise, if we could get back to the subject at hand--which if i'm not mistaken was . . . mccain's "flip" regarding abortion--i'm good to go here.

care to elaborate how he is flipping on a subject he tabled 8 years ago? seems like he is pretty much staying his course to me.
 
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only if your op was not made clear on purpose or misleading to begin with. . . otherwise, if we could get back to the subject at hand--which if i'm not mistaken was . . . mccain's "flip" regarding abortion--i'm good to go here.
You do understand I only referred to photography to reply to your misquote of what I said, to help you understand what I said. But I digress, and give up trying to straighten this out. Bluntly, I never said "new development", so stop misquoting what I said and quit trying to turn this into a distasteful and needless argument. The article is current.
 
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That would be affirmative A.I. And you do understand when I said, "new" it was another way of say developing, as in: now, or in progress-unlike you misquoted me-correct? So if we can agree to stop playing on each other's words now . . .

The article may be current, the subject matter however, is not. It's just old news resurfacing imho. Which is one of the several reasons why conservatives were not thrilled with McCain to begin with.
 
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