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I'm searching for believers who God has given understanding regarding Mathew 27:52-53.

The moment Jesus died on the cross, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom, the Holy of Holies was opened, the earth shook and the rocks were split which caused sepulchres to open and bodies rose to life came out and walked among the people in Jerusalem cursing those guilty of deicide.

On March 27th, 1945, Maria Valtorta received a vision from Jesus of this scene, and in it she sees that shortly after Jesus breathed His last, Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus immediately left Calvary to see Pilate to ask for His body, and along the way they see the after effects of Jesus's death, including the raising of bodies. She describes the following as a first-hand witness:


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I'm searching for believers who God has given understanding regarding Mathew 27:52-53.
Take it at face value, no hidden meaning.
Be blessed
 
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I'm searching for believers who God has given understanding regarding Mathew 27:52-53.
Matthew 27:52-53 describes an event that took place after the crucifixion of Jesus. The chief priests, taking precautions to prevent Jesus' disciples from stealing His body and presenting it as a resurrected Messiah, requested Pilate for a guard at the tomb. Pilate granted their request, securing the tomb with a seal and posting a Roman guard. These actions were carried out to prevent any deception or false claims regarding Jesus' resurrection. In other words, the verse is pretty self explanatory. It means that the Resurrection was true, as there were guards at the tomb to witness it.
 
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I'm searching for believers who God has given understanding regarding Mathew 27:52-53.

I don't know I can say that "God has given me this understanding", but I do have a comment that may be helpful. It seems to be related to something in Zech 14:4-5. Some ancient interpreters thought these verses in Zechariah were referring to the resurrection of the dead and the messiah's coming. In this interpretation. the "holy ones coming with him" are the resurrected dead accompanying the messiah as he wins the ultimate battle. This interpretation is most clearly seen in one of the Aramaic Targum's on Song of Songs 8:
8:4 King Messiah will say, “I adjure you, my people, House of Israel. Why are you warring against the nations of the earth to leave the Exile? Why are you rebelling against the forces of Gog and Magog? Wait a little longer until the nations who come up to make war against Jerusalem are destroyed, and after that the Lord of the World will remember for you the love of the righteous, and let it be His will to redeem you.”​

8:5 Solomon the prophet said, “When the dead will come to life, the Mount of Olives will be split and all the dead of Israel come forth from beneath it; and even the righteous who died in exile will come from under the earth by way of caverns and will come forth beneath the Mount of Olives. And the wicked who have died and been buried in the land of Israel will be cast up as a man throws up a stone with a stick. Then all the inhabitants of the earth will say, ‘What was the merit of this people that have come up from the earth, myriads upon myriads, as on the day when they appeared beneath Mount Sinai to receive the Law?’ At that hour Zion, mother of Israel, will bear her children and Jerusalem will receive her captive children.” (Aramaic Targum to Song of Songs or Aramaic Targum to Song of Songs 8:5 )​

This interpretation is also seen in a famous ancient fresco painted in a synagogue at Dura Europos (Ezek. 37 at the Dura-Europos Synagogue) with what appears to be an explicit reference to Zechariah 14:4-5 and a connection to the resurrection in Ezekiel 37.

This is probably what's happening in Matthew 27. Jesus, the messiah, has won the battle of Zechariah 14 and [at least some of] the resurrected dead accompany him with this victory. Note in Matt 27 there is also a splitting of the rocks, just as In Zech 14, at which point some people are resurrected from the dead and go into the city.

In short, the mention of resurrected dead in Matt 27 is probably best seen as referring, at least in some sort of partial fulfillment, of Zechariah 14.
 
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Thank you, Yecsidmid. It's a place to start looking. This event has always fascinated me and I've never heard anyone teach about it.
My personal thoughts on the matter have always been along the lines of it being related to perhaps Christ's First Fruits offering to the Father.
You are the only person to show any interest in the matter.
My responce to them has been that God led Mathew to write that down for us for a reason.

Bill
 
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Can you please clarify for us? We can not get enough context from your original post. Thank you, brother.
I have no understanding about the verses. It I'm simply searching for the reason God led Mathew to write it down for us.
If reading it you cannot understand my question, simply skip over my thread and let it pass.

Bill
 
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Since the information you provide is based on what has been handed down from a source unknown to me, I will simply thank you for responding with such vast detail and perhaps in the future, if God leads me, I will take a serious look at your words.

Bill
 
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Yea, I agree it's written there for a reason, even if that reason is obscure to us now. It's one of those weird and puzzling passages, and I had to dig through some commentaries some time ago to run across the explanation I gave (I think it was in Dale Allison's critical commentary on Matthew). It's the best explanation I've seen so far, assuming that either the Targum itself, or the interpretation in the Targum, go back to at least the first century. And given Matt 27:51-53 it seems reasonable to think they do; seems to fit.
 
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You're welcome! I'd also like to share a few of the studies done and conclusions given by professionals in various fields, who've analyzed and tested the credibility of Maria Valtorta personally and her literary works. I hope you read these excerpts at least. Be blessed :]

(i) The results from the mathematical analysis of Maria Valtorta's Work by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, where they concluded:


(ii) The results from the astronomical and meteorological analysis of Maria Valtorta's Work by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, where they concluded:


(iii) In David Webster, M.Div.'s chapter "Proof by Geography and Topography and Archaeology" of A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work, he relates:


(iv) In professional engineer Jean-François Lavère's The Valtorta Enigma, he writes:

 
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Thank you.

Bill
 
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I'm searching for believers who God has given understanding regarding Mathew 27:52-53.
We are all still learning, yet God gives us understanding.


[Mat 27:52-53 NET] 52 And tombs were opened, and the bodies of many saints who had died were raised. 53 (They came out of the tombs after his resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.)

The text says this happened after the resurrection. So that would be 3 days or more later. I would say that these very recently had died, like Lazarus.

[Jhn 11:43-44 NET] 43 When he had said this, he shouted in a loud voice, "Lazarus, come out!" 44 The one who had died came out, his feet and hands tied up with strips of cloth, and a cloth wrapped around his face. Jesus said to them, "Unwrap him and let him go."

So, like Lazurus, these people also confirmed the resurrection of Christ, and that he was the resurrection and the life.

[Jhn 11:25 NET] 25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live even if he dies,
 
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