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Made in the image of God

Abiel

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OK. I need help. I have spent years thinking this was a fairly uncontroversial idea- that we are all (humans that is) made in the image of God. Here's a song we sing with the kids:

We can think things through
We can work things out
We can love one another
We can sing and shout
We know what's right
And we know what's wrong
Cos we're made in the image of God

Now I discover there is an alternate view- that we are only made in the image of God once we are saved/become a Christian. That 'sinful man' is not made in the image of God, and that to think 'sinful man' is made in the image of God means that I am saying God is sinful.

This is a totally new idea to me. Can anyone explain what it is all about, and if/why I should give it any houseroom? Or am I missing something? After all, I am well-known for being a bear of very little brain...
 
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Gen. 1:26-27 seems pretty unambiguous to me, especially when you consider that Adam and Eve were most certainly not Christians (something about Christianity not yet existing would seem to preclude that possibility, wouldn't it?).
 
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I seem to recall a distinction between being made in the image of God and something else -- in the blank of God (I just can't remember). Whatever it was, we are all, sinner or not, made in the image of God. Then, when we become Christians we become something else.

Either way, it raises the question of what it means to be in the image of God anyway. If it were up to me, I'd define it this way: being sapient. I'd be tempted to qualify it with "and being concerned with Godly virtures such as Love, Justice, and Mercy." However, I'm not particularly inclined to pass judgement on those who by virtue of genetics have miss-firing synapses and don't operate by human norms.

My primary concerns with saying we aren't made in the image of God until we are saved are as follows: 1) It seems just another way to value those who are in and devalue those who are out; and 2) It seems an unnecessary extrapolation from scripture -- that is, it can be done but I can't discern value in doing so.

HTH
 
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I've never heard of that alternate view. And honestly, I would just revert back to your song. Isn't our ability to think and reason what puts us in His image?
Guess I'll have to think and reason on that one!
I think its our ability to love.
 
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One encounters this unfortunate error frequently in the course of origins discussions and also discussions of Christian hospitality and social justice.

I view it as a form of modern Gnosticism, in that those who hold it usually also hold that Creation itself is somehow corrupted and sinful, that the material universe is somehow 'bad' and associated with Satan.

I think that teachings are clear on this: God ordered Creation and sustains that order. We are the stewards of creation, all of us - all of humanity, have imprinted on us the image of God/the light of God/the natural law of God. There are those of us who for whatever reason respond to that presence in a particular way, and we enter into a grace based faith and through that faith we may move from being stewards to re-achieving our true intended profession of co-creators.

Where the error you reference originated I don't know. But it's an irritant because it leads people into believing, among other things, that there's no justification for Christians to be engaged with non-Christians in terms of hospitality or justice, that non-Christians are objects of evagelism only until they profess faith.
 
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Sounds totally blasphemous to me, but I've not heard of that stance before. I'd want to hear it out first from someone who believed it, before completely dismissing it. However, it strikes me as a bit insulting to God to suggest that something made in his own image can become completely depraved and worthless overnight.
 
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Evangelina

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OK... lemme see what my computer bible and commentaries can dig up for you...

NOTE: This was stated after the Fall... well after.

Nelson's Study Bible comments on Gen 1:26 -
Paul refers to Jesus as the 'image of God' -
his dear Son:
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
It seems fairly clear to me that yes, we are all images of God... some more corrupted than others, and that Jesus is the only CLEAR image of God... we are made like him when we're 'washed in his blood'.

Here's another interesting one:
"John Wesley's Explanatory notes" read:

That enough to keep you going for a while?
 
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