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Tomk80 said:But does that mean more advanced or more efficient? Just because the fuel reserves are larger, doesn't mean it's more advanced. At this point, it is you who is grasping for straws.
pittguy579 said:No goalposts needed
Bacteria are not more advanced than we
Any idiot can see that
pittguy579 said:No, really it is you who is grapsing for straws
Can a dolphin go 40 miles an hour while carrying HUNDREDS of thousands of pounds and not refuel for months and be able to dive for extended periods of times? It is superior in every respect
You lose
Can a submarine turn triple back sumersaults?
What a pointless argument
Just stating that something is obvious doesn't make it so. You'll have to learn that at some point pittguy. You seem under the impression that, just because you say something, you are also correct. This is not the case.pittguy579 said:It is obvoius
They are by the criteria you have been using so far. Bacteria (I'll be so convenient to group them as one organism, since you say that's valid) produce more destructive, more prone to dominate (if you're not aware of it, we have to continuously adapt to them, that's why we constantly need to come up with new antibiotics, new agricultural methods, etc etc, because we're under a constant threat from bacteria), they're more adaptive (it took us hundreds of years to come with some means against bacteria, it took them less than 100 to adapt to a number of those).No, they are not by any definition
That's all just the result of a rather complex brain. How do you compare complex aerodynamics with a complex brain. How is that not comparing apples and oranges?Show me a creature that can do even 1/10 the amount of things a human can. Show me a cockroach than can build a particle accelerator or fly to the moon
But only in a very specific situation, were we have those things ready. Most of the time we don't. If we're in the water without our precious technology, we're toast (who needs sharks, Germans drown on our beaches each year without them). What is more advanced, extremely fine-tuned aerodynamics or extremely fine-tuned brain? Since when is that not comparing apples and oranges?Simple BS. We would wait for the shark to surface and then boom
Better yet, use a depth charge and it won't matter. Blow everything out of the water within a 20 yard radius or a 100 megaton bomb in the middle of the ocean. We could wipe out a few thousand
Bottom line is we win
Bacteria cannot build a quantum computer, you cannot metabolise nylon
pittguy579 said:So now you are moving goalposts when it was proven submarines are more advanced in every respect
I know, You are the one that started it. You lose
Check mate
How was that proven? Dolphins are more energy efficient and more aerodynamic. You haven't brought up anything against that, other than shouting that submarinces are bigger. Big deal. Bigger=/=more advanced.pittguy579 said:So now you are moving goalposts when it was proven submarines are more advanced in every respect
This is getting pathetic.I know, You are the one that started it. You lose
Check mate
But only in a very specific situation, were we have those things ready. Most of the time we don't. If we're in the water without our precious technology, we're toast (who needs sharks, Germans drown on our beaches each year without them). What is more advanced, extremely fine-tuned aerodynamics or extremely fine-tuned brain? Since when is that not comparing apples and oranges?
]How was that proven? Dolphins are more energy efficient and more aerodynamic. You haven't brought up anything against that, other than shouting that submarinces are bigger. Big deal. Bigger=/=more advanced.
Why, we can use sticks, bones and stones. Lying around everywhere and come in very handy when you're having an attack of intelligence. We managed thousands of years with those. Our current technology is just a lucky strike of the last 150 years or so.pittguy579 said:Not allowing us to use tool would be like not allowing a shark to use its teeth or a bear to use it's claws and teeth. It would be hampering our greatest asset for survival, our intelligence A finely tuned brain can build things that can toast anything in nature.
So you are trying to claim that submarines are better at triple back somersaults than dolphins.
What about being more advanced at hunting fish, are you really trying to suggest that submarines are better at hunting fish than dolphins?
You are strange.
I didn't start it, I just joined in because I enjoy showing up your arguments as the absurdities that they are.
I mean to say, trying to define which animal is more advanced than another based on the single criteria of intelligence is absurd, but then you are an engineer not a scientist what can we really expect you haven't had the advantage of a top notch educaition like we have
pittguy579 said:And I would hardly call "eating" an advanced function
Tomk80 said:Why, we can use sticks, bones and stones. Lying around everywhere and come in very handy when you're having an attack of intelligence. We managed thousands of years with those. Our current technology is just a lucky strike of the last 150 years or so.
Again, being able to take along more fuel does not make it more energy-efficient. You as an engineer should be aware of that. The fact that a Humm-vee can take along more fuel than a smart does not make it more efficient either.pittguy579 said:It was proven, unless you are too stupid to understand it
Show me a dolphin that can not eat for months at a time and can carry hundreds of thousands of pounds for months at a time and can stay submerged. It is more efficient and more powerful
Tomk80 said:Again, being able to take along more fuel does not make it more energy-efficient. You as an engineer should be aware of that. The fact that a Humm-vee can take along more fuel than a smart does not make it more efficient either.
edited to add: study the history of science and technology in different societies. You'll realize how lucky we have been. Many societies have been on the brink of similar technological breakthrough as we had. Only we had the pure luck in Europe have those breakthroughs in a time that resources were plenty and the right societal conditions had arisen. But that is a whole different topic.pittguy579 said:I hardly consider it lucky
But only a lucky few of us. That is just as proven. Whereas all sharks have teeth.Bottom line is we have the ability to do those things.
That is proven
Not more efficient, and not more advanced. Just bigger and stronger. Bigger and stonger=/=more advanced. You stated so yourself in earlier examples.pittguy579 said:No, but more power, more thrust, and more carrying power makes it more efficient
Put the same amount of weight on the back of a dolphin. Lets see how far he can go
pittguy579 said:It was proven, unless you are too stupid to understand it
Show me a dolphin that can not eat for months at a time
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