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Since God created the world and is always in control, wouldn't it be logical to assume that he has foreordained every event, including every person's repentance, faith etc.? Naturally, predestination has to be the foundation for everything, including justification through faith.
No but again we're not robots. We make decisions on our whole life. Our whole history is God turning us loose to see how great we can screw up. Look at the Israelites. Look at todays societies. Our freedom under Christ is to make up our mind and if we decide we don't want His saving grace then we can reject him.Wouldn't that imply man is more powerful than God?
If that were true, then God would be "foreordaining" murder, rape, child molestation, robbery and assault among other things. I refuse to believe that a righteous God would do that.Since God created the world and is always in control, wouldn't it be logical to assume that he has foreordained every event, including every person's repentance, faith etc.?
If that were true, then God would be "foreordaining" murder, rape, child molestation, robbery and assault among other things.
If that were true, then God would be "foreordaining" murder, rape, child molestation, robbery and assault among other things. I refuse to believe that a righteous God would do that.
In that sense it's my belief that predestination is not compatible with the existence of evil, because it would require that God is complicit in acts of evil. (Yes, I know about God hardening Pharoah's heart, but my belief and hope is that Jesus Christ died for us so God would not instill malice in our hearts and give us free will to glorify Him through faith.)
No but again we're not robots. We make decisions on our whole life. Our whole history is God turning us loose to see how great we can screw up. Look at the Israelites. Look at todays societies. Our freedom under Christ is to make up our mind and if we decide we don't want His saving grace then we can reject him.
You took the words right off of my fingers. And aren't guests supposed to be here to ask questions and not "tell us like it is?"Radman didn't say we can decide to accept. He said we can reject.
Very Calvinist of you to rationalize that if one is true the other must be as well.
If he is not foreordaining them, then he is allowing them to happen without any interference. People may argue that is even worse.
Adam and Eve introduced sin into the world, not God.
Oh good grief - glad I'm too dumb to figure out questions like that.But the counter-argument from the people that follow SimonPeter's line of thinking is "Who created Adam and Eve? If God is all-knowing, then He would have known that they would sin. So God created evil beings.
You took the words right off of my fingers. And aren't guests supposed to be here to ask questions and not "tell us like it is?"
Oh good grief - glad I'm too dumb to figure out questions like that.
Ya know, Zec, I'm not sure. Guess we will wait and find out.
Radman didn't say we can decide to accept. He said we can reject.
Very Calvinist of you to rationalize that if one is true the other must be as well.
Doesn't one follow the other? We're so dead in sin that we can only reject God. So it logically follows that we cannot make any decision to accept God. How is this Calvinist? Isn't this logic 101?
Then what does that say about the person who makes such a claim? Tells me they're looking for any reason to not follow God or do as He has instructed. They're basically looking for justification for their own rebellion.
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