Could Jesus being fully God have made any other choice?
The entire holiness of the Trinity you are throwing up in the air.
Your entire culpability argument is wonky. Culpability is not even Biblical.
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Could Jesus being fully God have made any other choice?The second man, the last Adam, did not sin. He was answerable for the choices He would make in His lifetime. Just as we are.
He was rewarded for making the right choices just as we will be.
Who said what? Is this all someone else's writing or what?FreeGrace2 said,
"Of course that's true. And you missed my point. The Calvinistic doctrine of election simply and clearly gives those in hell the excuse that they were NOT CHOSEN FOR HEAVEN, as the "elect" were..........And you can't wriggle your way out of it. Even by making true statements that dodge the issue."
Men have no excuse for their sin in this life or in the life to come.
FreeGrac2 said,
"If Calvinism's doctrine of election were correct, then they WOULD HAVE AN EXCUSE: they simply were NOT CHOSEN for heaven. Please stop trying to wriggle out of this"
No need to wiggle at all. A simple "no they would not have an excuse" will suffice.
FreeGrace2 said,
"The truth is that God chooses to save those who believe, per 1 Cor 1:21."
No – God chooses chooses who will believe.
FreeGrace2 said,
"You have dodged the issue of the Calvinist view of election, which DOES give those in hell the excuse that they simply weren't chosen for heaven."
Did I mention that men have not excuse for their sins in this life or in the life to come?
FreeGrace2 said,
"However, I've had this discussion with other Calvinists, and all I've seen is a blindness to their own view. They simply will not see that their view creates an excuse for those in hell; that being they were never chosen for heaven."
Men will be in Hell because of their own sins.
Men will have no excuse for their sins in this life or in the life to come.
"He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit," Titus 3:5When someone uses the term regeneration they are a Cavinist. That term is not used in the Bible. It is born again or born of spirit.
That's a Cavinist word. Not God's word.
The quote feature was acting up for me. So I put FreeGrace2's quotes in red to separate them from my reply which are in black.Who said what? Is this all someone else's writing or what?
The question of the impeccability of Christ is a subject for another thread. Perhaps you could start one yourself since you have the doctrine all figured out.Could Jesus being fully God have made any other choice?
The entire holiness of the Trinity you are throwing up in the air.
Your entire culpability argument is wonky. Culpability is not even Biblical.
This Calvinism boat seems to float by using non biblical words and substitution. Calvinist think that there beliefs accomplish things, but what?
The Holy Spirit indwells a believer only in the New Covenant. In the OC, the Holy Spirit would dwell among them but not indwell them.
The Trinity is the standard way of describing three persons in one God. That is a standard Nicene Creed understanding, Calvinism is notTo be fair, that's a theology thing and not specifically a Calvinism thing. Trinity also isn't found in scripture, for example.
Psalm 51:10
Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me.
Well, regeneration is washing, but the Holy Spirit renews. Seems like you guys are way off base with your reclassification of regeneration as being born again."He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit," Titus 3:5
Weren't you part of the 'regeneration' crowd? This does not speak to regeneration as meaning the same as being born again.John 14
Indwelling of the Father and the Son
19 “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?”
23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.
Indwelling is for those only in the New Covenant built on much better promises.
Hebrews 8
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
You say I am confusing, but to me you are confusing. Further explanations won't make any difference.Weren't you part of the 'regeneration' crowd? This does not speak to regeneration as meaning the same as being born again.
Is that what you have in doctrine?
Although you say regeneration is the same as being born again, clearly it is not.You say I am confusing, but to me you are confusing. Further explanations won't make any difference.
I'm neither Calvinist nor Arminian and I am quite comfortable with the word. To be "born again" means to be re-generated.When someone uses the term regeneration they are a Cavinist. That term is not used in the Bible. It is born again or born of spirit.
That's a Cavinist word. Not God's word.
Then I'll ask you a very straightforward and simple question.FreeGrace2 said,
"Of course that's true. And you missed my point. The Calvinistic doctrine of election simply and clearly gives those in hell the excuse that they were NOT CHOSEN FOR HEAVEN, as the "elect" were..........And you can't wriggle your way out of it. Even by making true statements that dodge the issue."
Men have no excuse for their sin in this life or in the life to come.
FreeGrac2 said,
"If Calvinism's doctrine of election were correct, then they WOULD HAVE AN EXCUSE: they simply were NOT CHOSEN for heaven. Please stop trying to wriggle out of this"
No need to wiggle at all. A simple "no they would not have an excuse" will suffice.
FreeGrace2 said,
"The truth is that God chooses to save those who believe, per 1 Cor 1:21."
No – God chooses chooses who will believe.
FreeGrace2 said,
"You have dodged the issue of the Calvinist view of election, which DOES give those in hell the excuse that they simply weren't chosen for heaven."
Did I mention that men have not excuse for their sins in this life or in the life to come?
FreeGrace2 said,
"However, I've had this discussion with other Calvinists, and all I've seen is a blindness to their own view. They simply will not see that their view creates an excuse for those in hell; that being they were never chosen for heaven."
Men will be in Hell because of their own sins.
Men will have no excuse for their sins in this life or in the life to come.
FreeGrace2 said,
"The truth is that God chooses to save those who believe, per 1 Cor 1:21."
Marvin said,
"No – God chooses chooses who will believe."
Since the prefix "re" and the word "again" sure seem to mean the same thing. Kinda like "repeat" means to do something AGAIN.Although you say regeneration is the same as being born again, clearly it is not.
Let's just agree on that.
How are they different, if that is so?Being born again is spoken of many, many times in scripture. Not regeneration. So if Calvinists want to paint a picture by claiming regeneration is the same as being born again, they are not being scriptural. Period.
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