Light years is a time measure

Aviela · Feb 9, 2014

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dad · Feb 9, 2014

Archie the Preacher said:
This is like watching a train wreck in slow motion... one wants to look away, but somehow cannot...

For those who are atheists or agnostic, please understand there are many Christians who actually know something of which they speak. No one has to abandon intellect and thinking in order to believe in God.

I know it sounds like that at times, but it simply isn't true.

Jesus did not abandon intellect when He spoke of Noah and the flood.

No one abandons intellect when they question what science actually knows or not.

dad · Feb 9, 2014

Seipai said:
Not due to relativistic causes. The difference in time is so small that for most cases it would be lost in the normal margin of error that is inherent in any experiment.

Says who? The effect of greater gravity is large enough to map the planet. Some zones have less or greater gravity which is supposed to be the big thing that changes time.

Why? It has been tested by simply going up and down a ladder. If you don't know why that would change the force of gravity you don't even have a high school level of physics training.

That is one possible explanation, but to test whether it is gravity would be a good idea rather than just assume it. Do you think that one rung of a ladder represents a greater change in gravity, than the areas of greater and lesser gravity on earth as the map shows??

Again, not most clocks. It would take an extremely accurate clock to notice any difference at all.

No kidding. Of course we would need accurate clocks. They did use those for the few inches higher measures. What did you think, we meant wristwatches?

ETA: And I am still waiting for any Bible verses that support your claims.

Well, on time there are some we can look at. Like how a boat was on the other side of the lake in no time at all. Or how about how Satan in the wilderness showed Jesus in detail, all the world powers and great nations and kingdoms in a moment of time?

This is easy.

dad · Feb 9, 2014

PsychoSarah said:
That gravitational effect is so small that it has 0 relevant impact on how we experience time as the motion of atoms.

What effect? Areas of greater gravity or lesser on earth?

Are you suggesting that all the gravity differences here are far less than the gravity difference in less than one foot higher on say a table top?

PsychoSarah · Feb 9, 2014

dad said:
What effect? Areas of greater gravity or lesser on earth?

Are you suggesting that all the gravity differences here are far less than the gravity difference in less than one foot higher on say a table top?

Gravity and cold does impact the motion of atoms. However, how this impacts time is limited. Technically, yes, there are places on earth in which the motion of atoms is slower than in other spots, but this impacts time by less than .0000001% of a second, so time remains fairly consistent. Except at black holes, singularities make everything go weird.

Seipai · Feb 9, 2014

dad said:
Says who? The effect of greater gravity is large enough to map the planet. Some zones have less or greater gravity which is supposed to be the big thing that changes time.

I know, I have done such work in school.

That is one possible explanation, but to test whether it is gravity would be a good idea rather than just assume it. Do you think that one rung of a ladder represents a greater change in gravity, than the areas of greater and lesser gravity on earth as the map shows??

It has been tested. Didn't you read the article you linked? It has bee measured on much larger scales too. That was the first time it was measured on such a small scale.

No kidding. Of course we would need accurate clocks. They did use those for the few inches higher measures. What did you think, we meant wristwatches?

Please, make up your mind on how you are going to be ridiculous.

Well, on time there are some we can look at. Like how a boat was on the other side of the lake in no time at all. Or how about how Satan in the wilderness showed Jesus in detail, all the world powers and great nations and kingdoms in a moment of time?

What are you talking about? Are you talking about some of the Flat Earth verses of the Bible? I don't take those too seriously.

This is easy.

Yes, when you are ignorant of science and don't care about the truth you can argue for anything. Since I am a Christian I am a bit more constrained than that.

dad · Feb 9, 2014

PsychoSarah said:
Gravity and cold does impact the motion of atoms. However, how this impacts time is limited. Technically, yes, there are places on earth in which the motion of atoms is slower than in other spots, but this impacts time by less than .0000001% of a second, so time remains fairly consistent. Except at black holes, singularities make everything go weird.

So does this mean that clocks set up in a greater gravity zone 200 feet above each other would have a greater time difference than clocks set up in the weaker gravity areas if set up the same?

dad · Feb 9, 2014

Seipai said:
I know, I have done such work in school.

It has been tested. Didn't you read the article you linked? It has bee measured on much larger scales too. That was the first time it was measured on such a small scale.

Of course time difference was tested. But not in a way that would show whether gravity alone was the main player such as in the experiment I suggested. Has it?

What are you talking about?

I am talking about verses where time was shown to be just another item which God can flick away.

Joh 6:21 -Then they willingly received him into the ship: and immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.
Lu 4:5 - And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

Yes, when you are ignorant of science and don't care about the truth you can argue for anything. Since I am a Christian I am a bit more constrained than that.[/quote]

PsychoSarah · Feb 10, 2014

dad said:
So does this mean that clocks set up in a greater gravity zone 200 feet above each other would have a greater time difference than clocks set up in the weaker gravity areas if set up the same?

Gravity has less impact than cold does, but yes. However, the difference would be so insanely small that those clocks would never be accurate enough to show the difference.

But this only matters if you view time as an extension of atomic motion.

dad · Feb 10, 2014

PsychoSarah said:
Gravity has less impact than cold does, but yes. However, the difference would be so insanely small that those clocks would never be accurate enough to show the difference.

If clocks are accurate enough to measure time difference a foot higher than another clock, how would they not be accurate enough?

But this only matters if you view time as an extension of atomic motion.

No. Any measure of time whether atoms, or anything else at all would be affected by different time...any clock! Forget that motion notion.

PsychoSarah · Feb 10, 2014

dad said:
If clocks are accurate enough to measure time difference a foot higher than another clock, how would they not be accurate enough?

No. Any measure of time whether atoms, or anything else at all would be affected by different time...any clock! Forget that motion notion.

Time is motion over distance -_-.

dad · Feb 10, 2014

PsychoSarah said:
Time is motion over distance -_-.

No. Motion over distance is one way we perceive time.

mzungu · Feb 10, 2014

dad said:
No. Motion over distance is one way we perceive time.

Time is motion in the 3 dimensions. This is a fact. Case closed!

RealityCheck · Feb 10, 2014

dad said:
So does this mean that clocks set up in a greater gravity zone 200 feet above each other would have a greater time difference than clocks set up in the weaker gravity areas if set up the same?

It's difficult to answer an honest science question like this when its phrased in such a mangled way.

It would appear that the answer to this would be yes, but your phrasing may be wrong.

mzungu · Feb 10, 2014

dad said:
So does this mean that clocks set up in a greater gravity zone 200 feet above each other would have a greater time difference than clocks set up in the weaker gravity areas if set up the same?

Gravity does play a role but in order for you to comprehend what time is you have to first understand that time is a dimension (4th) and it is movement in the 3 dimensions. Time and space are intertwined and both cannot exist without the other. I think you may find this an interesting read: Gravityâ€™s effect on time confirmed - physicsworld.com

dad · Feb 10, 2014

mzungu said:
Time is motion in the 3 dimensions. This is a fact. Case closed!

Time can be observed using motion in dimensions we have access to here on and near earth. That does not limit time to just this fishbowl.

dad · Feb 10, 2014

RealityCheck said:
It's difficult to answer an honest science question like this when its phrased in such a mangled way.

It would appear that the answer to this would be yes, but your phrasing may be wrong.

Phrasing aside, if the effect on time by gravity should be observable and in a pattern, in the experiment cited, I have this to say. Bring it.

mzungu · Feb 10, 2014

dad said:
Phrasing aside, if the effect on time by gravity should be observable and in a pattern, in the experiment cited, I have this to say. Bring it.

Here: Gravityâ€™s effect on time confirmed - physicsworld.com

dad · Feb 10, 2014

mzungu said:
Gravity does play a role but in order for you to comprehend what time is you have to first understand that time is a dimension (4th) and it is movement in the 3 dimensions.

No. You are wrong, it may be that also, but not only that. When you say 4th dimension, you mean as perceivable or conceptualized using earth and area at this present time as the basis. The dimensions of God and the universe, and other universes, and eternity that may exist and include time in some way (or not) are unknown to man.

From biblical perspective, time was here already when creation of our universe began. It will be here when it ends! How some physical only minded men perceive time and space here and now does and cannot limit the full nature of time.

Time and space are intertwined and both cannot exist without the other.

Well, that is false. Time will exist after our space is long gone.

I think you may find this an interesting read: Gravityâ€™s effect on time confirmed - physicsworld.com[/quote]

From your link

" Because there is no way to tell gravity and acceleration apart, the same will hold true in a gravitational field; in other words the greater the gravitational pull experienced by a clock, or the closer it is to a massive body, the more slowly it will tick. "

If that body happens to be the earth....and earth is the center of the universe for time....we also would expect a time difference higher up from it..no?

Hoo ha.

PsychoSarah · Feb 10, 2014

You just keep calling people wrong dad. How about just politely listening to what people say and don't comment? I am not asking you to agree with it, only not to argue over it.

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