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Lets talk about the supposed vow of chastity of Mary

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From 1 Corinthians 7:







I thought it might be informative to point out the particular views of Paul on marriage; of course on should read the entire chapter.


Note the idea of a vow of chastity (vs.37).


There is room for chastity within marriage - by agreement and for a particular purpose. Completely chaste marriages have occurred - both in the secular world and within the EO. That a particular gift (vs. 7) is given to some is evident - that such a gift/calling/, a decree in the heart (vs.37) cannot be overridden by a woman's husband or father is taught in Leviticus.
 
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Perhaps. But you are likely aware that Moses is not Mary.

Yes, thank-you

The purpose for my mention of Moses was to add to the investigation of Judaism, linked by MarkR in his last post.

The understanding conveyed in Midrash was the expected response of one with a deep encounter with God; note the pattern of life of evidenced by the prophets as well as Moses. Certainly, the overshadowing of Mary (as pointed out, Jewish terminology denoting marriage) and conception of the Christ would qualify as an encounter with God deeper than any experienced by Moses (and the prophets).
 
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It appears to me that, after 869 posts in this thread, with not a single one having provided credible evidence that Mary made a vow of perpetual chastity to God, one can reasonably conclude that such evidence does not exist.

It is then reasonable to conclude that without substantiating evidence, the dogma of the perpetual virginity of Mary is based on opinion and not fact and, therefore, cannot be considered by any reasonable person to be of such importance as to be tantamount to one's eternal salvation.
 
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Lack of record is not lack of fact.
 
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Lack of record is not lack of fact.

A point Mormons explain to members of the RC and EO denominations all the time.

Is such compelling affirmation for this specific vow that it is claimed Mary made to God and the precise content thereof so claimed?






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This thread is about the Vow not the EVER Virginity perce... The vow that Theotokos had between God and herself. We do have matryria about it in the Protoevangellion. We have martyria from the ECFs and so forth that is evidence but not accepted by some that is how it goes...
 
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A point Mormons explain to members of the RC and EO denominations all the time.

Is such compelling affirmation for this specific vow that it is claimed Mary made to God and the precise content thereof so claimed?

We use it for the Scriptures also.

The Mormons go all Christians one better on that count - they have actual evidence and provenance for the Book of Mormon.
 
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According to your narrow definition of evidence.

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We do have matryria about it in the Protoevangellion.



Here's the entire REJECTED, NON-AUTHORITATIVE book, accepted as inspired by far, far fewer than the Book of Mormon:








The word "vow" doesn't even appear in the text. By anyone, concerning anything.




Yes, we do see just a bit of this Greek, pagan concept that even a single case of the loving, sharing of marital intimacies defiles the wife but nothing about any vow, the content thereof, or how that might have some significance for Mary's sex life after Jesus was born. It's just not there.











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The reality is that this is a REJECTED, non-inspired, non authoritative book in every denomination known to me - including yours AND it doesn't so much as even mention a vow by Mary or anyone else for that matter, about sex or anything else for that matter.





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so what is the purpose of bringing it into the discussion ?

And how is a disposition of heart or what is willed in the heart (see Paul) proven - by what standard ?
 
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