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Funny how one little question can get people all riled up. I like the Church Calendar, it takes us through every aspect of the Faith, it takes three Gregorian years to get through all three variants but it is most meaningful.Lotar said:So, what are you planning on giving up?
JVAC said:Funny how one little question can get people all riled up. I like the Church Calendar, it takes us through every aspect of the Faith, it takes three Gregorian years to get through all three variants but it is most meaningful.
Quite interesting that just because it isn't "in the Bible" that some people think it to be bad.
Maybe if some people thought of the Church Calendar as a bible study rather than an action they would have less problems with it?
-James
JVAC said:Funny how one little question can get people all riled up. I like the Church Calendar, it takes us through every aspect of the Faith, it takes three Gregorian years to get through all three variants but it is most meaningful.
Reformationist said:Let me reiterate once again that this type of devotional practice, if done in an effort to get closer to God, sounds wonderful. However, hearing Oblio's "When, not if" makes me think that this, too, has been elevated to a point of "have to do" rather than "beneficial to do." Did I misinterpret what you were saying Oblio?
Thanks,
God bless
Oblio said:It was our Lord that said when you fast.
But if you interpret it as meaning that we fast to earn salvation, then yes you misinterpreted it, for salvation is only by the Grace and Mercy of God.
We do it because, our Lord commanded us to do it, just as he commands us to pray, to give alms, to forgive, and to love.
If we do not do these things, then we do not have the faith that saves.
Exerpt from: www.monachos.net/monasticism/ascetic.shtmlReformationist said:Not that I don't admire your zeal, I certainly do, but I'm curious why you do this. What is your motivation? Do you believe that by practicing denying your flesh that you'll be better equipped to be holy?
Thanks,
God bless
above link said:A boy once approached his father, Old man, why do you fast? The father stood silent, bringing heart and mind together, and then:
Beloved boy, I fast to know what it is I lack.
For day by day I sit in abundance, and
all is well before me;
I want not, I suffer not, and I
lack but that for which I invent a need.
But my heart is empty of true joy,
filled, yet overflowing with dry waters.
There is no room left for love.
I have no needs, and so my needs are never met,
no longings, and so my desires are never fulfilled.
Where all the fruits of the earth could dwell, I have
filled the house with dust and clouds;
It is full, so I am content
But it is empty, and so I weep.
Thus I fast, beloved, to know the
dust in which I dwell.
I take not from that which I might take,
for in its absence I am left empty,
and what is empty stands ready to be
filled.
I turn from what I love, for my love is barren,
and by it I curse the earth.
I turn from what I love, that I may purify my loving,
and move from curse to blessing.
From my abundance I turn to want,
as the soldier leaves the comfort of home,
of family and love,
to know the barrenness of war.
For it is only amongst the fight, in the
torture of loss, in the fire of battle,
that lies are lost and the blind man
clearly sees.
In hunger of body and mind, I see
the vanity of food,
for I have loved food as food,
and have never been fed.
In weary, waking vigil I see
the vanity of sleep,
for I have embraced sleep as desire,
and have never found rest.
In sorrow, with eyes of tears I see
the vanity of pleasure,
for I have treasured happiness above all,
and have never known joy.
I fast, beloved child, to crush the wall
that is my self;
For I am not who I am, just as these passions
are not treasures of gold but of clay.
I fast to die, for it is not the living who are
raised, but the dead.
I fast to crucify my desires, for He who was
crucified was He who lived,
and He who conquered,
and He who lives forever.
Well, I guess it had to eventually happen Dawn!!dsdumpling said:For the most part, I'm giving up television.
Crazy Liz, I've never heard that before that Protestants don't observe Lent. We have a Shrove Tuesday pancake dinner and a Ash Wednesday service.
Oh no, where did we go wrong. We've only started celebrating Lent within the last 5 years or so at my church. We are instructed by Jesus when we fast to clean yourself up and look good. We shouldn't be walking around and say "I'm fasting". It's between us and our Heavenly Father.Terri said:Well, I guess it had to eventually happen Dawn!!We do differ! I don't celebrate Lent and have never celebrated Lent nor have I ever given anything up for it. Unless of course you considers going to Mardi Gras in New Orleans as celebrating Lent. I never knew there were protestants that celebrated Lent until I came to this forum.
But, in your honor Dawn I will be giving up Sea Kelp this Lent.Since I have never had any, I'm not anticipating any problem with giving it up!
I have no problem with Christians doing what they feel led to do in this matter. The only danger I see is the danger of feeling superior and self-righteous and somehow more spiritual and closer to God for doing it. I do not believe that doing any of it brings anyone closer to God than not doing it brings me.
essentially give up some thing , take the price of the thing and put it in the plate [ almsgiving , prayer ] ; this comes out only with fasting and prayer .... as with the rice bowl with catholic brethrenCrazy Liz said:Lots of protestants don't even observe Lent. I wonder how many do?
It is admirable of them, but Christ gave the most supreme sacrifice, so I don't see how an observance could top that, but to each their own. *shrugs*
I am giving up caffeine beverages. I am addicted to espresso and Coke, so it really will be giving up something significant. Lord knows, I will need a lot of faith and prayer to get me through!Lotar said:So, what are you planning on giving up?
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