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Rom 2:4
Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?
Does God's kindness lead someone to repentance, before or after regeneration?
The sovereign granting of repentance to whom He chooses is made clear in the text I sited.
But long time believers also need to live a life of repentance and acknowledge that it's God's kindness working this in them.
So, you are saying that God's doesn't lead a person to repentance until after they are regenerated, correct? Your answer to the OP is "after".
Why do you refuse to clearly and simply state the order regarding regeneration, and being led to repentance?
Must you be regenerated in order to be led to repentance? Or,
Are you lead to repentance and then are regenerated?
Why do you refuse to clearly and simply state the order regarding regeneration, and being led to repentance?
Must you be regenerated in order to be led to repentance? Or,
Are you lead to repentance and then are regenerated?
Rom 2:4-6
Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.
Romans 2 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor[g] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”:
7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; 10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
Rom 2:4
Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?
Does God's kindness lead someone to repentance, before or after regeneration?
Jesus stands at the door and knocks.
All men are drawn to Christ.
The grace of God has appeared to all men.
All men are led to repentence.
All men are not led to repentance. Repentance is a gift granted by God. Which is why we are told concerning false teachers "correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, 26and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will."
John 12:32
And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."
Titus 2:11
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men
Acts 17:30
In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
Trained by Saving Grace
11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.
15 Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.
8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
26 And He has made from one blood[c] every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,
27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
20 But Isaiah is very bold and says:
I was found by those who did not seek Me;
I was made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.
21 But to Israel he says:
All day long I have stretched out My hands
To a disobedient and contrary people.
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