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If we as Christians wish to use the Bible & God's Laws in guiding and developing our Laws (like marriage laws), shouldn't we be outlawing other things that God forbids like worshiping false gods ?

If not, why pick on one thing that they can still repent from, but not prevent things that would send someone to Hell for eternity like blaspheming the Holy Spirit ?
 
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If not, why pick on one thing that they can still repent from, but not prevent things that would send someone to Hell for eternity like blaspheming the Holy Spirit ?
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People can repent of anything.

And I don't think it's so much that we're using the Bible to define laws(some are, admittedly), but I for one just think that the union of a man and woman is to be supported by the state over homosexual unions. I believe men and women are complimentary and the best possible family unit involves both.
Now, do my beliefs about homosexuality figure into this? Yeah.
 
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So what if you "for one just think that ......." etc etc etc...?
Why should secular law care what you believe when it won't force you to participate in any marriage you don't care to participate in?

Laws should have nothing to do with specific religious beliefs, the fact that some of our laws match what some people believe are also the same as Gods laws doesn't mean we get to have Rabbi So And So, Reverand This And That, Imam Here Nor There, Father More Or Less or Guru Maybe Yes, Maybe No create our laws.
 
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So what if you "for one just think that ......." etc etc etc...?
Why should secular law care what you believe when it won't force you to participate in any marriage you don't care to participate in?
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The entirety of law is based upon the opinions and ideas of those participants in it. I think this should be supported over this. We argue about it. Laws get passed.
 
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The entirety of law is based upon the opinions and ideas of those participants in it. I think this should be supported over this. We argue about it. Laws get passed.
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The rights of minorities have no place being voted on. The only reason for your opinion to matter is if you are being required to participate. Nobody will force you to marry someone of the same gender, nor will they force your church to conduct the marriage.

Marriage outside of religion is already a fact of life it should matter not one bit what you believe about which competent, consenting adults should have access to it.

Your opinion on secular law as a citizen is one thing, your opinion based on religious beliefs is an entirely different matter. If one cannot work on a specific day does that mean every business should shut down to accomodate the beliefs of those who observe their sabbath in such a way? Or is it enough to accomodate your request for an alternative work schedule? If my understanding of my faith leads me to the belief that women are meant to be at home with their children and to not use day care should we close every day care center? If I cannot accept a blood transfusion should we close the blood banks?

What part of your life are you willing to have restricted based purely on the religious beliefs of others?
 
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The reason we have a Constitution as the supreme law of the land, is to set barriers beyond which no other laws can go. It's pretty clear by the explicit language that laws which favor one religion over another cross that barrier. It seems to me that the Constitutional requirement for equal treatment under the law could be extended to how legal marriage is define, but I'm not quite as sure.
 
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This is irrelevant. Whether it affects me or not, I have a place to voice my opinion on the law. Simple as that.
My opinion is not based solely on my religious faith, as I stated above.
 
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Not according to Jesus.

Mark 3:28-30 28Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
 
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MaxP said:
This is irrelevant. Whether it affects me or not, I have a place to voice my opinion on the law. Simple as that.
My opinion is not based solely on my religious faith, as I stated above.
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What part of your life are you willing for me to consider irrelevant? When I married my husband nobody had the legal right to stop us. However there are many many people in this country who are still opposed to marriages they would consider "interracial". There ARE still churches that won't perform weddings for "interracial" couples. Should their opinion matter in the legal arena? Should their members have been free to continue to influence laws against "interracial" marriage.

Laws must be based on the well being of the majority who are impacted by them, the individual. A legal "opinion" is not the same as ones personal opinion on how to conduct your life. Laws should not PREVENT any specific group of people from having access to the same services other groups of people have access to.

so.. what part of your life are you willing to have the general public rule over?
 
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