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What I bolded. She should have resigned her position in protest. That's what I consider the correct option.And you guys actually think it is cool to OK your subordinates to issue a license that you won't?
Please tell me that's not the case. (I could really be misunderstanding you and am trying hard not to.)
The message doesn't deliver the same punch then.What I bolded. She should have resigned her position in protest. That's what I consider the correct option.
People in elected positions have to follow court orders. If they can't do that, then they resign. I don't consider her actions to be correct.The message doesn't deliver the same punch then.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with either view, just an observation .
Yes, but we can't speak for her motives. None of us can say if God purposed it in her heart or not. Not that I believe this was the case. So all this speculation and the disputes arising isn't leading anyone to good. We don't have to agree with her position to understand we aren't privy to every detail.People in elected positions have to follow court orders. If they can't do that, then they resign. I don't consider her actions to be correct.
it's not a matter of free will though. If you feel God is leading you to a decision, who knows but you? - Note: Let me clarify this line: If you have a burning in your heart to speak out or act in a certain way, whether a sense of morality or taking a stand - only you know this. The point is, this isn't about free will, its about doing what you felt was right at the time.We have free will dude.
You have clearly misinterpreted what I said. Maybe you should read and consider what I actually said rather than ranting. Your interpretation of what I said is so far misconstrued I am a little speechless.What on earth are you talking about? How is not a matter of free will when you feel God is leading you to a decision? Remember when God told Moses that he would lead the people, and Moses replied by saying "But Lord, I am not eloquent?" He was trying to get out of it with everything he could think of! I cannot for the life of me understand what is to be gained by the examples of the saints and all the holy people throughout the history of our faith if God's wanting to use us for a specific purpose means that we have no free will. I pray I am misunderstanding you, Seekingsolace, because that makes no sense to me whatsoever.
And this leads us to another question: Many people of the Evangelical persuasion (as well as some Roman Catholics) are quick to receive messages from *God, and accept being "convicted" (to use the popular Evangelical term) in such matters as they present their behavior as being out of their hands, a matter of direct revelation or otherwise divine provenance. Remember when a certain president claimed to have talked to *God prior to the invasion of Iraq which would go on to completely destroy a 2,000 year old Christian community, probably permanently. Now I'm not going to tell people that the messages that they claim to have received were false (though I personally believe them to be, and never put any stock in things like the Fatima apparitions or the Sacred Heart revelation when I was Roman Catholic), but I do have to wonder, since this is not an Evangelical or Roman Catholic board, so such things ought not be indicative of the mindset around here, how the Eastern Orthodox who have supported this woman in this thread or elsewhere feel about these kinds of justifications given for the behavior of Mrs. Davis and similar people. Do any of you feel at least slightly uncomfortable with *God telling her to behave as she has in this case, when in other contexts *God most likely tells her with equal conviction and authority that any number of foundational parts of the faith as you yourselves understand it as Eastern Orthodox people are quite simply wrong, demonic, pagan, 'unbiblical', etc.? On a broader level, does it not give you pause that your own fathers more often show the example of shying away from such direct contact with the divine, as they are spiritually trained to expect such thoughts and messages and not accept them uncritically (as Evangelicals seem to do), but instead be on guard for what may in fact be temptations from the devil?
(* may not actually be God)
Not quite sure why you are being so defensive. My posts have been from an unbiased stance of 'we don't know'. It seems you are viewing this as Evangelist v Eastern Orthodox, for what reason? I feel (and don't take this personally) some of your prejudices are clouding your judgments. This isn't about evangelists, Roman Catholics or Eastern Orthodox, it's a discussion about a decision a supposed Christian woman has made. Not a denomination war.Ugh. Nevermind. I'm not here to pull teeth from someone who is unwilling to clarify what they've written and characterizes my post as ranting when I specifically wrote "I pray I am misunderstanding you, Seekingsolace, because that makes no sense to me whatsoever".
Attitude, indeed.
This was never about free will, nor was my comment to discredit it. Of course people delude themselves into believing ' they speak the words of God' or 'God told me to do this', that's not what I was referring to. I was speaking of us not knowing the reasoning behind all actions, and that speculation by us is pretty inadequate in the grand scheme of things. Do I believe she was led by God? no. Do I believe she acted in a sense of Christian morality? yes. It's not far fetched to claim God sometimes moves us to speak out. I don't have to agree with her decision, but it's not my place to discredit it. Not one iota of good has come from these discussions - as far as I've seen, only discord and strife.I don't expect anyone to agree with anything I've written ever, on this topic or anything else. All I wanted to know is what you meant by writing "it's not a matter of free will though. If you feel God is leading you to a decision, who knows but you?", but nevermind. It's probably too much of a diversion anyway.
I myself am in contempt of that court. Jail me!
If your subordinates have no issue with it, why would you care? Your authority as their supervisor doesn't mean they cannot perform particular duties you wouldn't. I'm not obligated to follow my supervisor's orders if they are petty. If they're willing to fire me for handing out marriage licenses to couples that are legitimate, then perhaps that wasn't the best job for me to begin with.And you guys actually think it is cool to OK your subordinates to issue a license that you won't?
Please tell me that's not the case. (I could really be misunderstanding you and am trying hard not to.)
It's an official form, so I'd think making illegal copies or such would be an issue in itself. It's meant to put the union into records for the purposes of recognizing various things that are relevant to married couples. I'm not married, but I don't think it's nearly as complicated as people are making it out to be. Sure there's a whole protocol to the application and such, but it's not like doing taxesCan a married person explain to me what this license is? this is an application form isnt it? Can it be downloaded onto your computer and printed out? All you would need is a notary and mail it in.
The closest I ever came to one is when I was best man to my brothers wedding. I had to sign where they pointed at, I think it vouched that I was a witness. its just a paper with signatures just get it from the stationary store
It's also a revenue getter that the Government has created to gain the most money from us for as little effort to them.It's an official form, so I'd think making illegal copies or such would be an issue in itself. It's meant to put the union into records for the purposes of recognizing various things that are relevant to married couples. I'm not married, but I don't think it's nearly as complicated as people are making it out to be. Sure there's a whole protocol to the application and such, but it's not like doing taxes
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