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Justification to not engage in fornication

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jbg9

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From what I can tell, the only place in the bible where fornication is directly referenced is in 1 Corinthians. This book was written by Paul. To be precise, it was a letter to the early Christians of Corin, Greece. He was trying to guide these Christians.

The particular verse that he wrote did not come from God or Jesus. It seems that this is one scholar's opinion.

Why does something in the bible need to be followed if it did not come from God or Jesus? What is the justification for people to not engage in fornication? Is this one verse justification enough?
 

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It depends on the translation you are using. When I did a word search In the KJV on my computer I came up with 23 occurances in the New Testament and another 13 in the Old Testament. In every case it is at least implied that the act is in sin. In Acts 15 and 21 it appears 3 times and is rendered as "sexual immorality" in the NIV. It comes up again in Rom 1:29, Galations, Ephesians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, Jude and Revelations. In every case It is refered to as sin that we should stay away from.

2 Timothy 3:16 "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

Mathew, Mark, Luke and John are all accouts of Jesus' ministry, yet each is worded differently and each have some unique accounts. If you discount Paul's writings as "opinion," then you must discount Mathew, Mark, Luke and John as well since their unique views must be "opinions" on Jesus' ministry. Then again how do we really know that the Ten Commandments weren't Moses "opinion?" Where do we draw the line? You really can't unless you concede to your opinion.

Paul was specific when he expressed his opinion. Of all the authors of the New Testament, his writings probably leave the fewest doubts. He was also well educated in the Scriptures, possibly the leading expert among the Apostles.
 
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Try reading the OT - it's pretty clear that any sexual relations should be only between husband and wife. Anything else is fornication, adultery, masturbation or abomination.
 
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The particular verse that he wrote did not come from God or Jesus. It seems that this is one scholar's opinion.

Why does something in the bible need to be followed if it did not come from God or Jesus?

You've sort of hit the nail on the head regarding something that's always bothered me. As Christians, we're told that we have to accept the entire Bible as totally accurate, but this notion comes down to us from the various councils which took place early in the first millenium.

For a long time, there was no Bible. Christ never says the Bible is perfect. Paul and the other apostles never say the Bible is perfect. How could they? It didn't exist. Paul never begins one of his letters by saying: "I declare that what I am writing is divinely inspired and unerring in its accuracy and truth."

For someone like me, who was not raised Christian, it's difficult for me to accept that the words of later apostles are every bit as important as the words of Christ himself simply because a council of scholars decided they were, many centuries ago. I can believe God and the Son of God, but why should I believe blindly the humans who have interpreted God's words and Christ's life?

I wouldn't blindly believe something that a minister today told me, why should I blindly believe something that a minister wrote thousands of years ago?

It seems to me as if you're debating that with yourself as well.

I suppose I reconcile the two halves of the argument by believing that the Gospels, the Epistles, the Old Testament writers, and even those councils were divinely inspired to influence Christian thought and practice in a certain direction.

Yet I don't believe they were divinely inspired simply because I was told they were. I read the words written in the Bible and they just sound like divinely inspired words. Still, you need to read those words and see how they inspire you, personally. Don't trust the interpretations of others. Interpret the meaning yourself.
 
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For a long time, there was no Bible. Christ never says the Bible is perfect. Paul and the other apostles never say the Bible is perfect. How could they? It didn't exist.

You've hit on the problem of Sola Scriptura anyway....that's why Catholics understand Sacred Tradition, without which there is no Bible. God worked through man from the beginning...why doubt His ability to work through those who compiled the Bible?

By the way, if the Bible is the Word, and Jesus is the Word, then the Bible is indeed without error.
 
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That's because scripture isn't the sole authority. No matter how much someone claims it is, it's always their interpretation of scripture that is what they claim to be the sole authority. Look at all the different denominations, and aside from the core message, every denomination will interpret passages differently.

This is why Paul said to keep the Traditions. The Traditions is what has been handed down to us through the Church. Scripture can only be interpreted correctly through the Traditions of the Church.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me the sinner.
 
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I find it interesting that there is always a thread somewhere to question the authority of Scripture and what God has said about a particular behavior or sin.

Here is something to think about: The bible says that whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it for the glory of God. So if you think that you can drink, smoke, cuss, sleep around, etc. for the glory of God, then go for it. But there is one more thing; it is appointed once for a man to die, and then judgment. So you will have to stand before Jesus Christ and give an account for what you have done, and He will judge you righteously.
 
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Greetings jbg , and all ,

The following verse stood out as the one likely referred to in the second paragraph above .

Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. <-----> 1st Corinthians 6:18

Particularly the opening exhortation - " Flee fornication " ; which implies that they / we are already participants or at least vulnerable to being seduced into fornication .

Now The Apostle Paul was no ordinary minister / scholar . One would be extremely hard pressed to find a contemporary preacher whose testimony comes close to that of Paul's . For he demonstrated Christ's Spirit of faith with power and authority . So that people marvelled and even the demons recognized him by name -

And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:
The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,
Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.
And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.
<-----> Acts 14:8-11

And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? <-----> Acts 19:15

When someone is so full of The Holy Spirit that the Power of Christ to heal and deliver shines clearly through them , they are also in a position to understand and relate God's will .

So , even if we only had this one verse , urging us to " flee fornication, " ( which others have pointed out is not really the case ) - but even if this were the only one ; it carries a lot of weight , because of the testimony Paul has in Christ , as one given power and authority to represent The Kingdom of God on earth , after Jesus' own example .

So let's look for a moment at the range of meaning given to the word " fornication " .

Quick definitions (fornication)

noun: voluntary sexual intercourse between persons not married to each other

noun: extramarital sex that willfully and maliciously interferes with marriage relations


Translated from the Greek -

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porneia
por-ni'-ah
From G4203; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively idolatry: - fornication.


G4203
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porneuo&#772;
porn-yoo'-o
From G4204; to act the harlot, that is, (literally) indulge unlawful lust (of either sex), or (figuratively) practise idolatry: - commit (fornication).

G4204
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porne&#772;
por'-nay
Feminine of G4205; a strumpet; figuratively an idolater: - harlot, harlot.

G4205
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pornos
por'-nos
From &#960;&#949;&#769;&#961;&#957;&#951;&#956;&#953; perne&#772;mi (to sell; akin to the base of G4097); a (male) prostitute (as venal), that is, (by analogy) a debauchee (libertine): - fornicator, whoremonger.

G4097
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piprasko&#772; prao&#772;
pip-ras'-ko, prah'-o
The first is a reduplicated and prolonged form of the second (which occurs only as an alternate in certain tenses); contracted from &#960;&#949;&#961;&#945;&#769;&#969; perao&#772; (to traverse; from the base of G4008); to traffic (by travelling), that is, dispose of as merchandise or into slavery (literally or figuratively): - sell.

G4008
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peran
per'-an
Apparently the accusative case of an obsolete derivation of &#960;&#949;&#953;&#769;&#961;&#969; peiro&#772; (to &#8220;peirce&#8221; through (as adverb or preposition), that is, across: - beyond, farther (other) side, over.

Form these " root words " and their definitions we can see that " fornication " refers to a " going beyond " , into a kind of " slavery " , akin to being a " prostitute " or " harlot " , and " indulge in unlawful lust " which includes acts such as " harlotry , adultery , incest , idolatry , fornication ".

So basically what The Apostle Paul was conveying was , that we should get / stay away from going beyond God's will regarding our faculties of procreation .

Here's a few verses which relate God's will in this matter .

...God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
<-----> Genesis 1:27+28

And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
<-----> Genesis 2:21-24

The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
<-----> Matthew 19:3-9

And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth. <-----> Malachi 2:15

Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
<-----> Romans 7:1-3

See Also 1st Corinthians Chapter 7

From these passages of Scripture , we can see that God will is for man to multiply under a [ marriage ] bond which allows for a stable / committed environment for children to grow up in . Or that we remain chaste / celebate .

Those are our two " lawful options " , according to God's will as conveyed through Scripture .

If we go beyond God's will , we jeopardize our harmony with His Spirit , and being out of harmony with The Holy Spirit leads to instability and regret .

Hence , the saying - " Flee fornication " .

With our own eternal welfare in God's Mind , this exhortation sounds forth from The Holy Bible .

May The Lord Be Pleased to Bless !

wm
 
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Why does this entire question come across to me as seeking justication for a desire for sex without marriage? I admit, I've also tried to come up with a justification for it, so I'm not playing the holier than thou card, no way.

The words of Jesus are sufficient, even if you wish to get out from under Paul's words, (which I do not).

What did Jesus say?

Mark 7:20-23, He said, "What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person."

Now, if you wish to further wiggle out from under Jesus' words, please allow me to hinder you...

Don't think you can remove Jesus' ban on fornication in the above verses by saying "sexual immorality is not the same thing as fornication". Interpreting scripture within its context is of fundamental importance; in the context of Jesus' day, "sexual immorality" applied to all sex outside of marriage.

Can you really imagine the Jews of Jesus' day splitting hairs over this terminology?:

Moyse: "Hey Joachim, I found your Eli fornicating with my daughter Miriam just now on the rooftop!"
Jaochim: "Aw c'mon, Moyse! Give the kids a break! At least they're not being sexually immoral!"

LOL!
 
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