Just for my curiosity's sake...

Rae · Mar 19, 2003

I have seen numerous posts over the past several days stating that anyone who is not agreeing with every word coming out of President Bush's mouth supported President Clinton, because they're liberals.

Now, I'm about as liberal as they come, and I didn't support President Clinton. Neither did the 5-10,000 liberal people who came out to protest the war on Kosovo, or the authors of The Nation (a liberal-leftist publication). So who are these liberals who supported him? I don't know of any. The most I've heard in "support" of him are weak statements like, "Yes, he bombed factories making aspirin in the Sudan, but he was slightly less awful than the alternative."

So who on the Left supported President Clinton? I'm not talking about weak sister "he wasn't as evil as the other guy" statements, I'm talking about parallels with the "President Bush is always right and if you think he isn't, shut up!" that I constantly see on here. Who is it? I haven't even seen most liberal/left-leaning posters on HERE "supporting" him, though I have seen objections to treating him disrespectfully while demanding abject loyalty to our current President.

Any evidence of such support on the Left would be appreciated. Also, leaving off with the "you must love Clinton if you don't like Bush" statements would be greatly appreciated. I despised Clinton's foreign policy and much of his economic policy, and I am offended to be slandered this way.

Rae · Mar 20, 2003

No answers? Well, I hope the lack of response means that you all agree with me that the Left doesn't support Clinton, and that those of us who have problems with the current President don't automatically support Clinton either.

bigat · Mar 20, 2003

Today at 07:12 AM Rae said this in Post #2

No answers? Well, I hope the lack of response means that you all agree with me that the Left doesn't support Clinton, and that those of us who have problems with the current President don't automatically support Clinton either.

 

As for me - cause that's the only one I can talk for.....

When I say that "the left supported Clinton" I'm not thinking of Joe-Schmo Liberal.  I'm thinking of the political left - democratic party. 

The fact that you, or anyone else, doesn't support this Prez doesn't bother me.  Everyone is entitled to their opinions. 

I can say that I do support President Bush.  I believe he is a good man & only has the best in mind for this country.  As I've said in other posts:  The President gets to see a lot of Intel that we don't, and rightfully so.  My feeling is that he knows something that we don't & that is why we are where we are.  If anyone honestly believes that he wants to go to war.....I think they are crazy.  Nobody wants a war.  Nobody wants to have Americans, Iraqi's or innocent people die. 

That's my 1/2 cent.

God bless!

crazyfingers · Mar 20, 2003

Today at 08:12 AM Rae said this in Post #2

No answers? Well, I hope the lack of response means that you all agree with me that the Left doesn't support Clinton, and that those of us who have problems with the current President don't automatically support Clinton either.

I agree with you.  I voted for Clinton twice only because he wasn't as bad as the other guy. 

I would hardly call that being a Clinton supporter. 

 

cenimo · Mar 20, 2003

Support Clinton? He's out of office....

But for your question, the Hollywood people that are so opinionated on this, most of them - leftists- Ed Asner & Co., etc...supported Clinton.

How could you say the left didn't support Clinton? Hillary is a flat out socialist and guess who supports that? It ain't conservatives.

Also, until now it just wasn't appropos for former Predsidents to publicly be critical of the current Presient - they would have screamed if anyone had done it to them- but now the peanut farmer (Carte ) takes out a whole page in the USA Today criticizing Bush, Clinton is on that bandwagon, etc...

you have a skewed concept of the left, tovarich, ah, er Rae

Michael0701 · Mar 20, 2003

Not sure what you are asking for . Names, groups, political parties? If your point is that liberals did not support president Clinton, I gotta laugh.

sklippstein · Mar 20, 2003

I never supported Clinton and never will. I do support our present President whether I agree with his decisions or not. AFTER all we as a nation elected him and should be supportive in his decisions.

crazyfingers · Mar 20, 2003

Today at 04:43 PM sklippstein said this in Post #7

I never supported Clinton and never will. I do support our present President whether I agree with his decisions or not. AFTER all we as a nation elected him and should be supportive in his decisions.

But you didn't support Clinton? He was actually elected - twice.

Don't you see an inconsistency with your comment above?

Michael0701 · Mar 20, 2003

**ouch**

MichaelFJF · Mar 20, 2003

Today at 06:12 AM Rae said this in Post #2

No answers? Well, I hope the lack of response means that you all agree with me that the Left doesn't support Clinton, and that those of us who have problems with the current President don't automatically support Clinton either.

From my perspective the lack of response just indicates that this subject isn't worth the effort. Who cares who supported Clinton?

 

But you didn't support Clinton? He was actually elected - twice.

Bush was elected - by the E.C. Deal with it. M

crazyfingers · Mar 20, 2003

Today at 09:07 PM MichaelFJF said this in Post #10

Bush was elected - by the E.C. Deal with it. M

And you know that there was more to it than that...

MichaelFJF · Mar 20, 2003

Old news - and the recounts showed he won anyway - and the people doing the recounts wanted him to lose. Let it go. sheeesh. M

crazyfingers · Mar 20, 2003

Today at 09:18 PM MichaelFJF said this in Post #12

Old news - and the recounts showed he won anyway - and the people doing the recounts wanted him to lose. Let it go. sheeesh. M

And you forget the several thousand people who mistakenly voted for Pat Buchanan because of the butterfly ballot. Because of the design of the ballot, they could not have been voting for Bush, only Gore.  Even Buchanan said that he was sure that those people did not intent to vote for him.

MichaelFJF · Mar 20, 2003

There's no accounting for stupid people. Annndddddddd - IT"S OVER! Last post - not worth the time. Try not to give yourself an ulcer. M

crazyfingers · Mar 20, 2003

Today at 09:25 PM MichaelFJF said this in Post #14

There's no accounting for stupid people. Annndddddddd - IT"S OVER! Last post - not worth the time. Try not to give yourself an ulcer. M

Who me? You seem much more upset. 

And I recall that you said a while back "From my perspective the lack of response just indicates that this subject isn't worth the effort. Who cares who supported Clinton?"

You seem to care a great deal.

Sauron · Mar 20, 2003

Today at 06:18 PM MichaelFJF said this in Post #12

Old news - and the recounts showed he won anyway - and the people doing the recounts wanted him to lose. Let it go. sheeesh. M

Nonsense.  He "won" in a state where his brother was governor, and where the Sec of State (the person in charge of certifying the votes) was (coincidentally, of course) the FL state chairman of his presidential election committee.  Gee; who woulda thunk it? 

If she had any semblance of propriety, she would have recused herself from the recount. But of course, GOP power grabs have no shame.

Bush - the accidental president that we're all stuck with now.  I hope we all live long enough to regret it.

Rae · Mar 22, 2003

Michael:
If your point is that liberals did not support president Clinton, I gotta laugh.

Rae:
I didn't. I'm a liberal. The protesters in the US over Clinton's war on Kosovo didn't support him, and they were all uniformly liberal. If you want to show your evidence that most to all liberals did, go ahead. If you don't have it, I would appreciate not being counted as a Clinton supporter because I dislike the current president. Thank you!

Michael0701 · Mar 22, 2003

I rechecked my post and made no assertion that you in fact were a Clinton supporter, quite the contrary, you made your point that you did not support him.

As for the notion that liberals did not support Clinton's actions in Kosovo, I have no facts to support it one way or another. But, Clinton was the LIBERAL movement's president. He was not elected by the right or conservatives, that is my assertion.

Just for my curiosity's sake, what was your problem with Bill over Kosovo anyway?

ACougar · Mar 22, 2003

Just my opinion, however I've always seen both democrates and republicans as doing thier best to embody the political "Center Mass." Clinton started out with some very liberal ideas, however it was prosperity and the way he mannaged to straddle the center that kept him in office. I've made the mistake of voting for the lesser evil (Clinton/GOre) before, and I refuse to do it again. It's time this nation developed a strong Green party, then Republicans will have some true liberals to bash.

Rae · Mar 22, 2003

You may not have blindly asserted that I supported Clinton, but many conservatives on here have made the foolish statement that "if you don't like Bush, you liked Clinton, so you're bad." I was mainly talking to them.

Kosovo? Mostly that Milosevic (ah! finally remembered his NAME) was willing to sign a treaty that would have given the US what we wanted, but the US put pressure on the opposition to refuse to sign it to create the war they wanted.

I do tend to agree that Demos and Repubs tend to belong to the great middle of American politics. It is too bad that there is no strong party to carry on true liberal views.

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