Just for final clarification yes, we evolved from monkeys.

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 22, 2016

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
And yet from what we see from the ACTUAL EVIDENCE OF HIS CREATION, we plainly see numerous animals evolving over time.

I won't even try to stop you from believing that.

We (ekklesia born again in Y'SHUA) never believed it.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Sep 22, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
I won't even try to stop you from believing that.

We (ekklesia born again in Y'SHUA) never believed it.

I'm not believing anything. I'm accepting the facts that God has shown through His own creation, which he plainly and clearly used evolution.
If you want to believe that God is a deceitful God who has planted false evidence of evolution though, then go right ahead.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Sep 22, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
You asked this before, and the answer is still "no".

They didn't 'remain' changed or unchanged at all until YHWH created them -
since then they have remained "unchanged" (never evolved the way the communists used to teach young people to prevent them from having a conscience about torturing and killing people (i.e. they had a "system" that required 'evolution' to de-humanize people as much as possible).

Really? You're trying to bring the failed political doctrine of communism in to a discussion of evolution? Well it's obvious that you really don't want a genuine discussion then.

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 22, 2016

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Really? You're trying to bring the failed political doctrine of communism in to a discussion of evolution? Well it's obvious that you really don't want a genuine discussion then.

Your idea of "genuine" is totally different than mine.

I don't think it necessary or helpful or obedient to YHWH for us (ekklesia) to try to change your mind.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Sep 22, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Your idea of "genuine" is totally different than mine.

Well, bringing up politics in a discussion about science when there is no incentive to bring up politics is not having a genuine discussion.

I don't think it necessary or helpful or obedient to YHWH for us (ekklesia) to try to change your mind.

Answer this question: why would God create all of the creatures that life on Earth and show that he did it via evolution if so many of the religious texts about him say that he didn't?

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 22, 2016

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
If you want to believe that God is a deceitful God who has planted false evidence of evolution though, then go right ahead.

Perhaps you don't (maybe this is too obvious) believe that mankind/ society/ men everywhere are deceitful. Hasatan has had his way since the garden with most of mankind - including perpetrating in mankind what you and others before you call "evidence".

YHWH is PERFECT. HE is not man that HE could lie.

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 22, 2016

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
show that he did it via evolution

Answered already I think. No one has ever "proven" the lie of evolution - it has always been fabricated and followed with more fabrication.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Sep 22, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Perhaps you don't (maybe this is too obvious) believe that mankind/ society/ men everywhere are deceitful. Hasatan has had his way since the garden with most of mankind - including perpetrating in mankind what you and others before you call "evidence".

YHWH is PERFECT. HE is not man that HE could lie.

And since God is perfect and cannot lie, then nothing he does is deceitful. Then that stands to reason that the thing he created, Earth and all life upon it, will have evidence to support. And that evidence is for... DUN-DUN-DUN! Evolution.

Yes, people can be deceitful. But God cannot, otherwise he cannot be the God I believe in.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Sep 22, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Answered already I think. No one has ever "proven" the lie of evolution - it has always been fabricated and followed with more fabrication.

29+ evidences of macroevolution.
But just like so many others, you won't read the link. You'll just ignore it and claim that evolution is a lie than that you believe that God is that powerless that he cannot use a complicated process like evolution.

loveofourlord · Sep 22, 2016

pat34lee said:
Actually, at some point it must become something different.
Otherwise, how do you get from single-cell to multicellular?
Asexual to sexual reproduction? Plant to animal, fish to
amphibian to reptile......... All the while, gaining complexity
in opposition to everything we see in nature, much less in life.

yes over GENERATIONS, remember the rabbit/leopard example I gave weeks ago, your not going to see a butterfly become something different, if you look at it or it's ancestors or offspring, but over time maybe every 30-100 generations if you look at just that, you will notice differences, so that thousands or so generations ago the butterfly looked very different. Same with everything, the common ancestor with humans and chimpanzee's probably looked closer to chimpanzee's, and if you looked at every father between it and myself, it will look exactly the same if you just compare those imediatly around it, but every few hundred generations you will notice subtle changes over time that make it look more and more human untill it reaches me.

loveofourlord · Sep 22, 2016

mmksparbud said:
Who said a cat and a lion can interbreed? That's ridiculous---I did say they are all felines--all cats. And lions and tigers have. Donkeys and zebras--they're equines.

You said the reason most can't is due to size, how do you get evolution in 100 years to go from a cat kind to lions and cats? Or lions and tigers, jaguars, leopards and such?

AV1611VET · Sep 22, 2016

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
I'm accepting the facts that God has shown through His own creation, which he plainly and clearly used evolution.

If skeletons are part of His creation, do you accept holidays, hymns, and churches as part of His creation as well?

If so, why don't atheists do the same?

Warden_of_the_Storm · Sep 22, 2016

AV1611VET said:
If skeletons are part of His creation, do you accept holidays, hymns, and churches as part of His creation as well?

If so, why don't atheists do the same?

Because those were invented and created (you can't invent a church) by people, not God. Although at a pinch I've have to say that they are a byproduct of His creation.

AV1611VET · Sep 22, 2016

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Because those were invented and created (you can't invent a church) by people, not God.

Jesus didn't start the New Testament church?

If not, what did He mean by "my church"?

But let me get this straight:

God creates animals that die and become fossils, but He doesn't create animals (humans, from your perspective) that produce evidence as well?

Warden_of_the_Storm · Sep 22, 2016

AV1611VET said:
Jesus didn't start the New Testament church?

If not, what did He mean by "my church"?

But let me get this straight:

God creates animals that die and become fossils, but He doesn't create animals (humans, from your perspective) that produce evidence as well?

As said, they're a byproduct, not the actual intention. Why anyone would willingly start a religion where the majority of it's adherents actually don't follow what is claimed they said, among other things, is beyond me.

JonFromMinnesota · Sep 22, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Answered already I think. No one has ever "proven" the lie of evolution - it has always been fabricated and followed with more fabrication.

Science isn't in the business of proving anything. It follows the evidence to its logical conclusion. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming. It has been repeatedly tested for over 150 years and it has passed every test it has faced with flying colors. It's supported by an abundance of facts and contradicted by nothing.

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 22, 2016

JonFromMinnesota said:
Science isn't in the business of proving anything. It follows the evidence to its logical conclusion. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming. It has been repeatedly tested for over 150 years and it has passed every test it has faced with flying colors. It's supported by an abundance of facts and contradicted by nothing.

It's just not true.
You can believe what you chose to believe - that's up to you.
The consequences might be devastating , or maybe not. YHWH knows.

JonFromMinnesota · Sep 22, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
It's just not true

You can say that till you're blue in the face. The evidence won't magically disappear

You can believe what you chose to believe - that's up to you

I don't choose to believe anything. I follow the evidence to its logical conclusion.

The consequences might be devastating , or maybe not. YHWH knows.

I'm not intimidated by threats. I'm not a child.

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 22, 2016

JonFromMinnesota said:
I'm not intimidated by threats. I'm not a child.

YHWH never threatened anyone. HE simple tells what is and what is not,
where you will go or what HE WILL DO, or what HE WILL NOT DO. Plain and Simple.
No confusion. No threats nor threatening.

HE has never failed to DO as HE HAS SAID, indeed HE CANNOT FAIL.

Commander · Sep 22, 2016

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JonFromMinnesota said:
You can say that till you're blue in the face. The evidence won't magically disappear

I don't choose to believe anything. I follow the evidence to its logical conclusion.

I'm not intimidated by threats. I'm not a child.

You are right the evidence is logical, it is preserved in stone without a date on it.

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