Just a question on the matter

Phinehas2 · Feb 28, 2008

Dear Wednesday,

The OP questions were

Ok. Let's pretend for a moment that some sort of deity that you people call God exists.
Do you honestly think that someone who is supposed to be *allmighty* would be superficial enough to care for what two (or more) consenting adults are doing in the privacy of their own bedroom? And that artificial, human-made institution of marriage? I think that you people (fundie/conservatives) are oversimplifying theology a little too much?

Ok well firstly according to Gods Biblical testimony, the Almighty does take care in what two adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom. Gods purpose in creation was for man and woman to be united in faithful union. Gen 2, Matt 19 etc. Marriage is that union, Jesus attended a marriage, marriage is mentioned over 150 times in the Bible and always male and female.
Secondly sex outside that union is fornication, outside Gods purposes and sin to God.
Thirdly, are you disbelieving theology to too great a degree, there is a difference between merely disbelieving something and being out to disprove it.

jamielindas · Feb 28, 2008

Jet_A_Jockey said:
And is it not synonymous with disbelief? An athiest disbelieves the testimony of any religion he/she has encountered, does he/she not? It's more than lack of believing in something.

An atheist disbelieves things that do not have sufficient evidence of their validity...

jamielindas · Feb 28, 2008

Phinehas2 said:
Dear Wednesday,

Ok well firstly according to Gods Biblical testimony, the Almighty does take care in what two adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom. Gods purpose in creation was for man and woman to be united in faithful union. Gen 2, Matt 19 etc. Marriage is that union, Jesus attended a marriage, marriage is mentioned over 150 times in the Bible and always male and female.
Secondly sex outside that union is fornication, outside Gods purposes and sin to God.
Thirdly, are you disbelieving theology to too great a degree, there is a difference between merely disbelieving something and being out to disprove it.

So why not outlaw sex outside of marriage? Or take away the possibility of marriage from people who have sex BEFORE marriage? Why apply the rules of sex and marriage to gays, but not straight people that commit fornication?

jamielindas · Feb 28, 2008

Jet_A_Jockey said:
And is it not synonymous with disbelief? An athiest disbelieves the testimony of any religion he/she has encountered, does he/she not? It's more than lack of believing in something.

I want to follow up on this and say that I DO NOT believe anything that a scientists tells me either. Just because they are a scientist, does not me they should be trusted unconditionally. However, MOST scientist back up their claims.

There have been many times that I've read about advancements and thought, "no way! I can't believe that! that doesn't make any sense!" So what do I do when something like this happens, I look it up. I read about the subject, examine the evidence, examine the work that has been done and come to my own conclusions.

It happens in reverse as well. I read stuff about theoretical physics or string theory and I say ... wow, that sounds nice, what an interesting and elegant solution. I would LIKE to believe this, but without experimental evidence (something that theoretical physics and string theory are struggling to find) I CAN'T believe this. I cannot take string theory on faith, I need evidence.

Brieuse · Feb 28, 2008

Phinehas2 said:
Dear Wednesday,

Ok well firstly according to Gods Biblical testimony, the Almighty does take care in what two adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom. Gods purpose in creation was for man and woman to be united in faithful union. Gen 2, Matt 19 etc. Marriage is that union, Jesus attended a marriage, marriage is mentioned over 150 times in the Bible and always male and female.
Secondly sex outside that union is fornication, outside Gods purposes and sin to God.
Thirdly, are you disbelieving theology to too great a degree, there is a difference between merely disbelieving something and being out to disprove it.

That's fine, homosexuals can get married in my country, and God blesses it.

jamielindas · Feb 28, 2008

Brieuse said:
That's fine, homosexuals can get married in my country, and God blesses it.

yay for south africa!

it's upsetting that we(america) can't even be as free and equal as south africa!

Phinehas2 · Feb 28, 2008

Dear jamielindas

So why not outlaw sex outside of marriage? Or take away the possibility of marriage from people who have sex BEFORE marriage? Why apply the rules of sex and marriage to gays, but not straight people that commit fornication?

Well all I am doing is discussing what the Christian position is from the Bible, people who don’t believe God’s testimony in the Bible don’t need to worry do they? The church does teach sex should be within a faithful man/woman marriage and sex outside marriage is not God’s purpose, and there are Christians in the church who believe this Biblical truth

Phinehas2 · Feb 28, 2008

Dear Brieuse,

That's fine, homosexuals can get married in my country, and God blesses it.

then enjoy, but its not the God of the Bible thats for sure as we have seen.

EnemyPartyII · Feb 28, 2008

k2svpete said:
The more scientists study and research, the more of them come to a point of realisation that the complexity of creation is not something born of coincidence, something has had a big part to play in it.

Have a look at electricity, you can't see it but you can feel it and see the result of it. Faith in God is very similar.

You got any evidence to back this up? Say a peer reviewed article from a reputable cosmologist saying that there is evidence of inteligent design at work in the universe?

And even then, whats toi say that that inteligence is the Christian God, not some other deity?

EnemyPartyII · Feb 28, 2008

Phinehas2 said:
Dear Brieuse,
then enjoy, but its not the God of the Bible thats for sure as we have seen.[/COLOR]

Not the God of your Biblical interpretation.

The real God is different.

Jet_A_Jockey · Feb 28, 2008

EnemyPartyII said:
argument from incredulity... Just because you can't imagine a world without God is not evidence of Him.

I gave the reason why I believe. And no, I haven't always. But thanks christian sister for defending the atheistic argument over the christian one.

Jet_A_Jockey · Feb 28, 2008

jamielindas said:
An atheist disbelieves things that do not have sufficient evidence of their validity...

By that standard, the level of disbelief depends on the level of effort someone takes to gain knowledge of the things they disbelieve. I think the amount of evidence really depends on the person. Unless all atheists don't believe anything until the new york times posts it.

Many christians have some sort of life event that draws them to their faith. Whether its a set of circumstances that are nearly impossible by just chance, or various other reasons. Either way its evidence to them on a personal level.

Jet_A_Jockey · Feb 28, 2008

EnemyPartyII said:
You got any evidence to back this up? Say a peer reviewed article from a reputable cosmologist saying that there is evidence of inteligent design at work in the universe?

And even then, whats toi say that that inteligence is the Christian God, not some other deity?

Okay atheists you can go back to the other threads now, EP has this one covered.

Seriously though, we are way off the topic, although the topic is a pretty deep one considering the real issue behind it lies within biblical belief/disbelief and the reasons for them.

Phinehas2 · Feb 29, 2008

Dear EnemyPartyII,

Not the God of your Biblical interpretation.

The real God is different

The Bible speaks for itself and I don’t need to defend my position. The real God of the Bible is the one whose testimony is in the Bible, not in my mind or yours. The nature of your God is not so obvious.

Phinehas2 · Feb 29, 2008

Dear Jet_A_Jockey,
I think the atheists could leave and be assured their views are well represented by some christians here.

David Brider · Feb 29, 2008

Phinehas2 said:
Dear EnemyPartyII,

Phinehas2 said:
The Bible speaks for itself and I dont need to defend my position. The real God of the Bible is the one whose testimony is in the Bible, not in my mind or yours. The nature of your God is not so obvious.

The God I find when I examine the Bible - and when I reach out in prayer - is a God of mercy and compassion, who died on a cross to forgive our sin and draw us into a life of purity and holiness in His family.

How does that compare to the God you see in the Bible?

David.

Phinehas2 · Feb 29, 2008

Dear David Brider,

The God I find when I examine the Bible - and when I reach out in prayer - is a God of mercy and compassion, who died on a cross to forgive our sin and draw us into a life of purity and holiness in His family.

How does that compare to the God you see in the Bible?

That sounds the same as the God I know, from that Biblical testimony.
Yet if one were to claim this and then live in the sin that one had been forgiven for, this wouldnt be the God found when one examines the Bible, the sin forgiven, or the life of purity and holiness.

EnemyPartyII · Mar 2, 2008

Phinehas2 said:
Dear EnemyPartyII,
The Bible speaks for itself and I don’t need to defend my position. The real God of the Bible is the one whose testimony is in the Bible, not in my mind or yours. The nature of your God is not so obvious.

The nature of my God is perfectly obvious, he makes himself clear in non contradictory, logically comprihensible realty... not weird self contradictory tribal laws that seem to still exist only as a basis for identifying groups of people you are allowed to condemn.

EnemyPartyII · Mar 2, 2008

David Brider said:
The God I find when I examine the Bible - and when I reach out in prayer - is a God of mercy and compassion, who died on a cross to forgive our sin and draw us into a life of purity and holiness in His family.

How does that compare to the God you see in the Bible?

David.

How about that, my God too.

Phinehas2 · Mar 3, 2008

Dear EnemyPartyII,

The nature of my God is perfectly obvious, he makes himself clear in non contradictory, logically comprihensible realty... not weird self contradictory tribal laws that seem to still exist only as a basis for identifying groups of people you are allowed to condemn.

Evidently a different god, the God whose testimony is in the Bible is a God who has made the way for life eternal so no-one need be condemned, therefore have no idea which god you are referring to but it is somewhat the opposite of the one in the Bible. As I said the Bible speaks for itself.

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