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TwinCrier said:It's rather arrogant to claim something isn't science when you prohibit even looking at the evidence. We usually don't put people on trial then say only evidence that supports one conviction is relevant. That is what just happened. ID may or may not be true (it is!), but they're not going to allow the evidence for it to be shown.
William A. Dembski, a mathematician who argues that mathematics can show the presence of design in the development of life, predicted that intelligent design would become much stronger within 5 to 10 years.
Both Dr. Behe and Dr. Dembski are fellows with the Discovery Institute, a leading proponent of intelligent design.
"I think the big lesson is, let's go to work and really develop this theory and not try to win this in the court of public opinion," Dr. Dembski said. "The burden is on us to produce."
TwinCrier said:The exact same evidence used to make claims for evolution can be used to disprove it if given a chance.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i1/creation.asp
TwinCrier said:It's rather arrogant to claim something isn't science when you prohibit even looking at the evidence.
We usually don't put people on trial then say only evidence that supports one conviction is relevant. That is what just happened. ID may or may not be true (it is!), but they're not going to allow the evidence for it to be shown.
William A. Dembski, a mathematician who argues that mathematics can show the presence of design in the development of life, predicted that intelligent design would become much stronger within 5 to 10 years.
Both Dr. Behe and Dr. Dembski are fellows with the Discovery Institute, a leading proponent of intelligent design.
"I think the big lesson is, let's go to work and really develop this theory and not try to win this in the court of public opinion," Dr. Dembski said. "The burden is on us to produce."
reverend B said:i don't understand us Christians. why would we want to reduce the immensity of God to science?
why do we expect the government to be the conduit for religious education? isn't that our job? isn't evangelism "the great commission"? why are we trying to put the burden of it on the government? what makes the government particularly informed in the things of the spirit?
the case was about the scientific nature of the concept of intelligent design, and it was found wanting. is that a surprise? i have never approached God as if he was simply another phylum, have you? He must be approached with the spirit. is there any question that the intent was to introduce the concept of God into the curriculum? did we already know that we were going to fail at that? has this been in question?
lets get off our duffs, Christians, and be the catalyst for the introduction of God into peoples lives. don't leave it to the teacher, the statue of the decalogue, or the plaque in the courtroom. take responsibility. take adavantage of the freedom this great country has provided us with and let someone know that you believe and you want to show them why and how they can do the same. be a beacon, rather than spending your time trying to make some unrelated institution into the beacon you have chosen not to be. put a ten commandments display on YOUR front lawn, and don't worry about the courthouse. do some unrequited kindness and say, "God bless you" and then walk away. if an aclu lawyer has fallen and hurt himself, pick him up and take him to a hotel, and pay to put him up until he has recovered. (everyone with me on that one? LOL!)
the energy we waste trying to bend our greatest ally to our will is astounding. let freedom ring!! now go out and use that freedom and bring someone to Christ yourself! let not your hearts be troubled!!!!
Again, the evidence for creation is the same evidence evolution has. We don't have a different set of fossiles, a different set of bones, or a different set of earth. We have a different theory on this same evidence which is simply ignored. It's like going into courst. Both sides have the same evidence, but our witness isn't allowed to take the stand. If evolution really has all the answers it should welcome the weak little arguments of the lies of creationism so it can disprove it. Instead, it takes on the persona of a dictator that just stomps all opposition.random_guy said:Wait a minute. Did you not read the decision by the judge at all? The entire trial was to determine if it was a science. They had a trial about it, lasted 90 days or so, ID put forth its best evidence. In the end, the judge ruled it wasn't science after examining the evidence. This is exactly what IDers wanted, a open debate on whether it was science.
Maybe you should heed the advice of one of the leading head people of ID.
TwinCrier said:Again, the evidence for creation is the same evidence evolution has. We don't have a different set of fossiles, a different set of bones, or a different set of earth. We have a different theory on this same evidence which is simply ignored. It's like going into courst. Both sides have the same evidence, but our witness isn't allowed to take the stand. If evolution really has all the answers it should welcome the weak little arguments of the lies of creationism so it can disprove it. Instead, it takes on the persona of a dictator that just stomps all opposition.
http://www.teachinghearts.org/dre09creationnotes.html
Should ID ever come into the open about what it actually is ... I don't think it will survive 20 years.
1. The US is a republic, not a democracy.
2. Just because the majority of people say Hitler died in 1950 doesn't make it true. Evolution deals with a fixed* biological definition. Just because most people think it is otherwise doesn't make them right.
TheBeginningSeasons said:A little bit of info to help the creationist people, there is a book by John MacAurther called "Battle for the Beginning" which I am currently reading it explains all evolutionary theories stem from Darwinism which Darwin himself revoked right before his death. Science by definition must have proof, and there is no proof that we came from pond scum or the universe came about by an explosion. The works are too perfect, too accurate, too "God thank you so much for this beautiful planet" great! But if you are a Christian you should believe straight up no stepping back Genisis Ch 1-3 other wise you just empower the enemy in his work blinding the people. That is why cases like these are won in court, people give a little on God and then next thing you know in the last 20 years we have asked Him to leave us alone and get out of all of our courts, schools, homes and work.
david_x said:Yeah right! You do realize the majority of America, a DEMOCRACY, support the idea.
david_x said:prove it
America is a democracy...science is not.
David, you're a young lad I see. You might want to learn the skill of researching information.
david_x said:agreed, but the science world is increasingly biased, they refuse to believe in anything smarter than them!
you'r right i am kinda new at this but it seems no one argues for Christ in these threads.
KerrMetric said:No, you are mistaking arguing for science and reason as arguing against Christ. This is nonsense.
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