Jesus Magnified the Ten Commandments

childeye 2 · Apr 16, 2025

JesusFollowerForever said:
before accusing others or should i say accursing?

Your words above are harsh. May the peace of Christ Jesus be upon you and between us here in these forums.

Now, why did you post this blank assertion? If you love me as yourself in the Spirit of Christ, you'll correct me.

Accusing others and/or accursing others, <--- plural? I believe you're misunderstanding me. Let us speak forthrightly with each other. In what way did I accuse or accurse? What did I accuse the poster of? Quote the words that you perceive as a curse or accusation. Edify me if you love me and I will be grateful.

JesusFollowerForever said:
look in your own heart, you have no right to judge

Another blank assertion. In what way do you feel I judged? What was the judgment? Show me.

JesusFollowerForever said:
Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Another blank assertion. Please correct me if you love me as yourself. What speck did I seek to remove in my post, and what plank did you see in my eye? Correct me if you love me as yourself. I will be grateful.

SabbathBlessings · Apr 17, 2025

childeye 2 said:
It's about a man having authority over a woman.

Should we ignore this verse than that is stating Adam was not deceived when he disobeyed God and sinned but Eve was? Scripture can make more than just one point.

childeye 2 said:
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

childeye 2 said:
Yes, I don't keep the letter of the law, I follow the Spirit of Christ Who is the true Image of God, and I follow his commandments.

There's only One God ---> Source of the energy that formed all things, and His Christ is the True image He sent, not imagined by any creature. So it's not possible to worship other gods. Moreover, true worship is drawn out by the object of worship, and God is worthy

I assume you meant use his name in vain. The Spirit of Christ has never commanded me to take God's name in vain.

John 1
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

The Spirit of Christ has never led me to do any of these things.

Following the Spirit of Christ doesn't mean breaking his commandments. It means I don't depend on the letter of the law for righteousness because I have the Spirit of Christ commanding me.

The Spirit of Christ fulfills the letter of the law ---> See Matthew chapters 5-7 ---> example Matthew 5:27, 28
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

I understand God's righteousness in terms of virtue.

Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

So we are both saying we should keep the commandments, but I think the difference is, for you, its not because God said, its because that's what the Spirit teaches you, is this correct? I just want to understand your argument, because its been a bit confusing, saying we don't keep the letter i.e. not worship other gods, not because God commanded it, but because, in your opinion, this is what Paul is teaching, there is no longer a law and we are just led by the Spirit- is this your argument?

SabbathBlessings · Apr 17, 2025

childeye 2 said:
Anyone who thinks they know better than God about what is best for them, is deceived. ---> believing God is untrustworthy ---> They have a corrupt image of god in their heart.

Can you please show me how Jesus was explaining those who lust at a women is being deceived? Why would He say to remove yourself from the situation so you don't sin, if sin is only through deception and not selfish desires?

Mat 5:27 “You have heard that it was said [i]to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

I don't see Jesus blaming the women that she deceived them because she was desirable, He blames "you" we are all accountable for our own actions. What we do

2 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad

The Adam and Eve story shows two ways of sinning, one through deception one through knowing it but doing it anyway. Both ended with the same result, kicked out of the Graden separated from God Isa 59:2

I believe Jesus is a trustworthy source to explain how we sin and what sin is and it is shown through selfishness, our will over God's will. Started with Eve while she may have been deceived by the lie that she would not die, had she not wanted to be like God, she would have been able to avoid the deception

5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

Her desire to be like God, her will over God's -self over God, the root of every sin.

JesusFollowerForever · Apr 17, 2025

childeye 2 said:
Your words above are harsh. May the peace of Christ Jesus be upon you and between us here in these forums.

Now, why did you post this blank assertion? If you love me as yourself in the Spirit of Christ, you'll correct me.

Accusing others and/or accursing others, <--- plural? I believe you're misunderstanding me. Let us speak forthrightly with each other. In what way did I accuse or accurse? What did I accuse the poster of? Quote the words that you perceive as a curse or accusation. Edify me if you love me and I will be grateful.

Another blank assertion. In what way do you feel I judged? What was the judgment? Show me.

Another blank assertion. Please correct me if you love me as yourself. What speck did I seek to remove in my post, and what plank did you see in my eye? Correct me if you love me as yourself. I will be grateful.

the difficulty in correcting you is that you do not listen at all or is you seen to understand, the next day you revert back to a state that demonstrates you do not understand. sometimes it is necessary to use words that are harsh but I detest doing so.

you did accuse in post 158, there was no reason for it, you might claim it was not the meaning but I know it was.

In your interest, I would listen to sabbathblessings, she is extremely knowledgeable. and understand verses and concepts very well, I have never seen something wrong that is not biblical from her in any posts.

SabbathBlessings · Apr 17, 2025

JesusFollowerForever said:
In your interest, I would listen to sabbathblessings, she is extremely knowledgeable. and understand verses and concepts very well, I have never seen something wrong that is not biblical from her in any posts.

I agree everything must be tested by Scripture, all Glory to God! Amen.

Thanks for your kind words.

childeye 2 · Apr 17, 2025

JesusFollowerForever said:
the difficulty in correcting you is that you do not listen at all

The difficulty in correcting you is you don't listen <--- This is negative prejudice. You haven't even tried to correct me, so how can you say I won't listen?

JesusFollowerForever said:
or is you seen to understand, the next day you revert back to a state that demonstrates you do not understand.

We have to Love others as we would want to be loved. You claimed that I accused and accursed others and I want to know how. I asked you for correction which means I'm waiting for you to make your case. Telling me I don't listen or don't understand is just another blank assertion which just leaves me hanging. If we are to overcome the accuser, we need to make forthright substantive arguments rather than attack the character of the other person.

Something I said has set you off. It should not be too much to ask of you that you quote the words that you see as accusations or accursing others and explain why they qualify as accusing or accursing. Misunderstandings happen all the time on these forums.

JesusFollowerForever said:
sometimes it is necessary to use words that are harsh but I detest doing so.

you did accuse in post 158, there was no reason for it, you might claim it was not the meaning but I know it was.

Accuse of what? If you can't say what you think I accused her of, how can I clear the air of the devil between us?

"I know you accused her, but if I say how you'll probably just deny it". <--- This is a personal attack against me based on negative prejudice.

JesusFollowerForever said:
In your interest, I would listen to sabbathblessings, she is extremely knowledgeable. and understand verses and concepts very well, I have never seen something wrong that is not biblical from her in any posts.

I have listened to her, and it seems to me that for the most part she's exhorting others to not walk in the flesh, and to fulfill the letter of the law by walking in the Spirit. I do that too.

The only problem I have are sentiments that infer condemnation and/or end in self-condemning hypocritical judgment, because there is no condemnation in Christ. --->John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. --->John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

SabbathBlessings · Apr 17, 2025

childeye 2 said:
The only problem I have are sentiments that infer condemnation and/or end in self-condemning hypocritical judgment, because there is no condemnation in Christ. --->John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. --->John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Perhaps we can clarify this one issue then. Is someone in Christ breaking the commandments and sinning or keeping them? Can you provide Scripture for your answer.

Yes, God did send His Son not to condemn, but to save, sadly not everyone accepts this free gift, but if you keep reading, there is a condemnation, for those who choose to stay in darkness (sin) because they like to sin instead of coming to the light (Jesus) who when we confess our sins and forsake them Pro 28:13 He cleanses us from all sin and unrighteousness 1 John 1:9 Sin is the transgression of God's law 1 John 3:4 and anything that is not of faith. All the law does is show us our sin so we don't stay in darkness, but not everyone wants to come to the light because they don't want to give up their sin.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Most people stop there, but it keeps going because there is a condemnation. Its better to understand this now, so we all can make adjustments through Christ, because when Christ comes our fates will be sealed Rev 22:11

19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

BNR32FAN · Apr 17, 2025

JesusFollowerForever said:
The Ten Commandments, given to Moses on Mount Sinai, serve as a foundation for both Jewish and Christian ethics. When Jesus came, He not only fulfilled the Law but also magnified it, deepening its meaning and bringing it to its fullest expression. This concept is rooted in prophecy, particularly in the book of Isaiah, where it is foretold that the coming Messiah would exalt and magnify the law. In Isaiah 42:21 (NKJV), it is written:

"The Lord is well pleased for His righteousness' sake; He will exalt the law and make it honorable."

This prophecy points to the Messiah, who would not only uphold the law but would make it even more honorable by bringing its full meaning to light. Similarly, in Isaiah 2:3 (NKJV), it is written:

"Many people shall come and say, 'Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, and we shall walk in His paths.' For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem."

This passage speaks of the Messiah’s role in teaching and spreading God’s law in its fullness to the nations, ensuring that His ways would be understood and followed. Jesus, the fulfillment of these prophecies, magnified the law by not only teaching it in its entirety but also by embodying it in His life.

Through His life and words, Jesus showed that the commandments were never meant to be a checklist of rules but a call to live in intimate relationship with God and others. He revealed that the true fulfillment of the law is found in loving God and loving others, bringing a deeper, spiritual understanding of each commandment. Let us now explore how Jesus magnified each of the Ten Commandments, demonstrating that they are not just rules to follow, but pathways to transformation.

1. "You shall have no other gods before Me."
Exodus 20:3 (NKJV)
This commandment calls for exclusive devotion to God. Jesus magnified this by teaching that loving God with all our heart, soul, and mind is the greatest commandment (Matthew 22:37). He emphasized that it’s not only about avoiding the worship of other gods but about wholeheartedly surrendering to God in every area of life. Jesus pointed out that even the love of money or material possessions can become idolatry (Matthew 6:24). For Jesus, true worship is a matter of undivided affection for God, not just an external act but a heart fully devoted to Him.

2. "You shall not make for yourselves a carved image."
Exodus 20:4-6 (NKJV)
While the second commandment forbids the creation of idols, Jesus deepened this teaching by focusing on the worship of God in spirit and truth (John 4:24). He rebuked the religious leaders for relying on outward rituals and physical representations of God, pointing out that true worship is not about images but about a genuine relationship with the living God (Matthew 15:8). Jesus showed that idolatry is not just about physical idols but any object or idea that we place above God in our hearts.

3. "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain."
Exodus 20:7 (NKJV)
This commandment addresses the misuse of God’s name, but Jesus magnified it by teaching that words reflect the condition of the heart (Matthew 12:36-37). Jesus extended this commandment beyond just avoiding the profane use of God’s name to include all speech. He showed that taking God's name in vain also includes hypocrisy or speaking falsely in God's name. Our words should honor God, and our lives should reflect the holiness of His name. Jesus called His followers to truthfulness in every area of life, especially in their speech.

4. "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy."
Exodus 20:8-11 (NKJV)
The Sabbath commandment called for rest and worship, but Jesus magnified it by teaching that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath (Mark 2:27). He healed on the Sabbath and confronted the legalistic rules of the Pharisees, showing that mercy and compassion are in harmony with the Sabbath’s purpose (Matthew 12:9-14). Jesus emphasized that the Sabbath is meant to be a day of rest, restoration, and renewal—both physically and spiritually—focused on God's care and love for humanity.

5. "Honor your father and your mother."
Exodus 20:12 (NKJV)
Jesus affirmed this commandment but expanded it by teaching that true honor for parents is shown in action, not just words (Matthew 15:4-6). He also said that love for God must surpass even familial bonds (Matthew 10:37-39). While honoring parents is a command with a promise of blessing, Jesus taught that devotion to God must take precedence. True honor, according to Jesus, is seen in caring for others, including parents, in a way that reflects God’s love and priorities.

6. "You shall not murder."
Exodus 20:13 (NKJV)
Jesus magnified this commandment by teaching that even anger and hatred in the heart are equivalent to murder (Matthew 5:21-22). He emphasized that reconciliation and love are central to fulfilling this commandment. Jesus taught that harboring anger or contempt toward others is a violation of God's law. He called His followers to seek peace and forgiveness, urging that one’s heart be free from anger and resentment, which can lead to violence.

7. "You shall not commit adultery."
Exodus 20:14 (NKJV)
Jesus deepened this commandment by teaching that lustful thoughts are equivalent to committing adultery in the heart (Matthew 5:27-28). He expanded the commandment beyond the act of adultery to include the purity of thoughts and intentions. Jesus called for radical purity, urging His followers to avoid even the slightest temptation to sin. He showed that the heart and mind must be guarded, not just the outward actions.

8. "You shall not steal."
Exodus 20:15 (NKJV)
Jesus magnified this commandment by calling His followers to not only refrain from stealing but to be generous and give to others (Luke 6:38). He also warned against greed and materialism, which can lead to theft or exploitation of others (Matthew 6:19-21). Jesus taught that our possessions are not to be hoarded but shared with those in need. True fulfillment of this commandment involves living selflessly and using one's resources to bless others.

9. "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."
Exodus 20:16 (NKJV)
Jesus magnified this commandment by teaching that truthfulness should govern every aspect of life. In Matthew 5:37, He said that our yes should mean yes, and our no should mean no, warning against deception in all its forms. He also condemned slander and gossip, teaching that our words should be honest and edifying (Ephesians 4:29). For Jesus, bearing false witness extends beyond legal testimony and applies to our everyday interactions, calling us to integrity and honesty in all things.

10. "You shall not covet."
Exodus 20:17 (NKJV)
Jesus magnified this commandment by teaching that covetousness is rooted in the heart and manifests in greed, jealousy, and dissatisfaction (Luke 12:15). He warned against storing up earthly treasures and instead called His followers to seek first the kingdom of God (Matthew 6:19-21). Jesus showed that coveting not only harms relationships with others but also distorts our relationship with God, turning our hearts away from Him. He called His followers to be content and find their treasure in heaven, rather than in material wealth.

In every instance, Jesus did not merely restate the commandments but magnified them, pointing to a deeper, more profound understanding. He moved the focus from mere outward observance to the inner transformation of the heart. Jesus taught that the commandments are not just about following rules but about cultivating love for God and for others. He elevated the moral standards, showing that true righteousness comes from a pure heart, a heart that seeks to love God fully and to live in peace and harmony with others. By fulfilling the Law and calling His followers to a higher standard, Jesus showed that the commandments were never meant to be a checklist but a call to live in intimate relationship with God and reflect His love to the world. In this way, He fulfilled and magnified the Ten Commandments, bringing them to their fullest expression in the lives of His followers.

Peace

Jesus never once commanded anyone to keep the sabbath during His ministry, neither did His apostles. He also spoke of numerous other commandments that were not part of the 10 commandments.

BNR32FAN · Apr 17, 2025

JesusFollowerForever said:
Yes Claire, Jesus being God brought us a new, deeper understanding of the Commandments , He showed us that they were not simply a set of rules to follow but they are all about Love and should be kept in out hearts and minds.

Psalm 119:35
"Make me walk in the path of Your commandments, For I delight in it."

Blessings.

Quoted out of context because how many times did the author also mention God’s ordinances and statutes throughout that chapter? The words commandments, statutes, and ordinances, are repeated over and over and over throughout that entire chapter. The chapter is referring to ALL of God’s commandments, not just 10 of them.

SabbathBlessings · Apr 17, 2025

BNR32FAN said:
Jesus never once commanded anyone to keep the sabbath during His ministry, neither did His apostles. He also spoke of numerous other commandments that were not part of the 10 commandments.

Sure He did, If you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15 the Sabbath is a commandment of God, Jesus is God. He said If we keep His commandments, we remain in His love, just as He kept His Fathers commandments John 15:10, Jesus always led by example. Jesus kept the Sabbath commandment and is our example to follow in all ways. 1 John 2:6. Doesn't make sense if we are keep 9 of the Ten Commandments but can forget the only commandment God said to Remember. We have to have room for faith.

Clare73 · Apr 17, 2025

HIM said:
Then throw your Bible out

You love God and you need rules to tell you not to use his name disrespectfully or worship other Gods?

I don't.

JesusFollowerForever · Apr 17, 2025

childeye 2 said:
The difficulty in correcting you is you don't listen <--- This is negative prejudice. You haven't even tried to correct me, so how can you say I won't listen?

We have to Love others as we would want to be loved. You claimed that I accused and accursed others and I want to know how. I asked you for correction which means I'm waiting for you to make your case. Telling me I don't listen or don't understand is just another blank assertion which just leaves me hanging. If we are to overcome the accuser, we need to make forthright substantive arguments rather than attack the character of the other person.

Something I said has set you off. It should not be too much to ask of you that you quote the words that you see as accusations or accursing others and explain why they qualify as accusing or accursing. Misunderstandings happen all the time on these forums.

Accuse of what? If you can't say what you think I accused her of, how can I clear the air of the devil between us?

"I know you accused her, but if I say how you'll probably just deny it". <--- This is a personal attack against me based on negative prejudice.

I have listened to her, and it seems to me that for the most part she's exhorting others to not walk in the flesh, and to fulfill the letter of the law by walking in the Spirit. I do that too.

The only problem I have are sentiments that infer condemnation and/or end in self-condemning hypocritical judgment, because there is no condemnation in Christ. --->John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. --->John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

I am a very slow typist and take a lot of time to write a post unless I copy from one of my previous posts or from my personal notes, Sabbathblessings responds much faster and I see little point trying adding to what she answered since I think the same way 99% of the time, sometimes I open 2 browsers to see if while I type a response she has already responded and in this case she beat me to it almost all the time.

childeye 2 · Apr 18, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
Can you please show me how Jesus was explaining those who lust at a women is being deceived?

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Please take no offense as I point out that your question as posed is based upon a premise I don't agree with. I do not believe it's Jesus' intention to explain how a man is deceived when he looks at another woman so as to lust.

I could easily point out that a man is deceived if when he looks at another woman to lust, he thinks it's not adultery. But what I'm saying is that I do not believe that is Jesus' point. I believe his intent is to convey that inwardly the heart needs to be cleansed just as he said the cup must first be cleaned on the inside so that the outside will be clean. I believe his point is that we need God's Spirit within as a characteristic quality of virtue. His Spirit is what keeps us Holy. A new heart and a new spirit cleansed from false imagery transforms me into a new creation so that I can look at a woman and not lust.

25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

SabbathBlessings said:
Why would He say to remove yourself from the situation so you don't sin, if sin is only through deception and not selfish desires?

Again, please do not take offense as I point out a premise in your question that I don't agree with. I do not see Jesus conveying that I must remove myself from the situation, so that I won't sin. I see him conveying that I have already sinned in my heart just by looking so as to lust.

Here is my problem with the articulation "selfish desires". As a matter of semantics, there are positive/neutral/ negative connotations of terms. Using certain tactics, the devil can deceive people by turning positives into negatives or visa-versa by using adjoining terms in the thought as qualifiers. Or he can make them look the same so that no one can tell the difference. So, the truth is that while these desires appear to be selfish in the negative connotation, they're not actually "self-serving" in the positive connotation. The reality is that sexual immorality is a sin against oneself.

SabbathBlessings said:
Mat 5:27 “You have heard that it was said [i]to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

Okay, so this is what you mean by removing yourself from the situation. If I'm reading you correctly, I think you're expressing that Jesus is conveying that I should not look at a woman to lust after her because it's the first step towards engaging in a sexual act with another woman. That's sound reasoning as a preventative course of action. But I still don't believe that is what he means, because he said I already committed adultery with her in the heart just by looking.

When Jesus speaks of plucking out my eye or cutting off my hand that causes me to sin, I think he's saying I need to overcome the flesh. And I also perceive that Jesus is expressing the severity of the situation if the flesh is not. I don't believe if I pluck out my eye or cut off my hand that I no longer will be an adulterer in my heart.

SabbathBlessings said:
I don't see Jesus blaming the women that she deceived them because she was desirable, He blames "you" we are all accountable for our own actions. What we do

Thanks for expressing the woman's point of view. But It's still carnal vanity. God's Spirit sees others as oneself and loves others as oneself. His Perfect Character would see both an ugly woman and a beautiful woman the same, as oneself.

As such, I don't see Jesus blaming anyone. I see him blaming the flesh. Yes, we will be held accountable, but since we are all flesh, we will be judged by what measure we use to judge others. So, the issue of how much we blame others is going to determine how God blames us. Many of the last will be first and many of the first will be last. Those who are forgiven much will love the Master more than those forgiven little. Since I acknowledge that I need God's Spirit to not sin, I don't want to project blame because as if His righteousness didn't come by grace.

SabbathBlessings said:
The Adam and Eve story shows two ways of sinning, one through deception one through knowing it but doing it anyway. Both ended with the same result, kicked out of the Graden separated from God Isa 59:2

I guarantee you, there is no sin that happens without first believing something untrue. How do I know this? Because sin is a direction away from God's Holy Character. Every falsehood invented by the devil is therefore based on false imagery.

So, while It's easy to say they both were told and claim they knew not to eat, that doesn't even acknowledge that Adam was facing the question of who to trust God or the woman. I will be judged by what measure I use to judge others. If I judge that Adam knew what he was doing when caving to the woman who was deceived, then I'm calling God a liar.

SabbathBlessings said:
I believe Jesus is a trustworthy source to explain how we sin and what sin is and it is shown through selfishness, our will over God's will.

Any will/desire that goes against God is based on falsehood because God is Truth.

SabbathBlessings said:
Started with Eve while she may have been deceived by the lie that she would not die, had she not wanted to be like God, she would have been able to avoid the deception

5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

Her desire to be like God, her will over God's -self over God, the root of every sin.

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

The serpent is insinuating that God is telling them that they will die if they eat so as to keep them from knowledge that will make them like gods. It's a false untrustworthy image of god that the serpent is introducing.

The woman is innocent and does not know how to lie or even knows what a lie is nor that she is subconsciously accepting a false image of god. Had she known to say to the serpent that she was already made in God's Image, the lie would have not created any desire to be like God.

HIM · Apr 18, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
Of course He did, no one is disputing this, but human handwriting is not the same as God personally and supernaturally writing His own personal Testimony Exo 31:18 that no more was added Deut 5:22

HIM said:
Love thy neighbor was added. Do not lay with animals was added. Do not fornicate was added. Man is not to lay with man as one would with woman was added. Do not eat unclean animals was added. Take care of our defecation properly was added. Shall we continue?

JesusFollowerForever said:
@HIM

I expanded a bit for more clarity;
The Law of Moses includes many rules and instructions that God gave to the people of Israel through Moses, but at the center of all these laws are the Ten Commandments. These Ten Commandments were spoken by God Himself and written by His own finger on stone. They are the foundation, the heart of the covenant, showing God’s values, how to love Him and how to live with others. These laws are detailed throughout the Torah. All the other laws grow out of these Ten Commandments and help people understand how to follow them in real life at that particular time.

This was especially important because the Israelites, around 600,000 men not counting women and children, had just come out of slavery in Egypt. They were in the desert for 40 years, and they had no proper education or instruction. They didn’t know how to live as a free and holy people. God had to teach them from the beginning, showing them what was right and what was wrong, how to treat each other, and how to worship Him properly.

For example, one of the Ten Commandments says, “Do not steal.” From this, the Law of Moses gave detailed rules like what to do if someone stole an animal or property, and how to make things right. This helped people understand how to apply that command in their daily lives.
Another command says, “Do not murder.” The Law of Moses explains the difference between killing by accident and killing on purpose, and what to do in each case. This taught the people to value life and act justly. The command to “Honor your father and mother” is expanded through rules about respecting elders, listening to parents, and caring for them. The law even gave warnings about the punishment for children who disrespected or hurt their parents. There were also many laws given for health and cleanliness, which were needed because the people were living together in camps in the desert. They had no hospitals or clean water systems like we have today. So God gave them instructions like washing after touching a dead body, staying outside the camp when sick, burning infected clothing, and how to handle food and waste. These laws were for their protection, keeping the community safe from disease and teaching them to live in a clean and orderly way.

So the Law of Moses didn’t replace the Ten Commandments, it explained them and built on them. It helped a large, untrained group of people learn how to live as God’s people, guided by His values of love, justice, truth, and holiness. The laws were a way to train their hearts and minds, to prepare them to be a nation set apart for God.

Nice post, but it does not fit in respect to the point to which we are making. Our friend SabbathBlessings shared through Scripture that in respect to the Ten Commandments none were added.

Here is the verse.

Deut 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

What most fail to realize is the reason God stopped talking at Ten. And why we even had the Commandments on tablets of stone and the Book of the Law in the first place. And what God said in respect to that.

Deut 5:23 And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
Deut 5:24 And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.

Deut 5:25 Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.
Deut 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
Deut 5:30 Go say to them, Get you into your tents again.
Deut 5:31 But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess it.

As we can see Our Lord was not finished speaking. He stopped because Israel pleaded for Him to stop. For they could not endure that which was commanded. Take note also of the use of the phrase "all the commandments" above in verse 29 and 31 one. All implies there are more.

There are many other commandments that will stand into eternity that are not remotely connected to the Ten.

For example the dietary commandments. The commandments pertaining to bestiality, laying with one's mother, father, sister, brother, homosexuality, and fornication. The commandments for king's and those who do Ministerial work not to drink strong drink. The commandment for us to know God's word and teach it to our children.

These are but a few. There are many more, but I am sure you get the point.

JesusFollowerForever said:
Happy Sabbath.

Thank you. I pray yours was blessed. And here we are a week later. May your day be guided by His hand as we approach yet another Sabbath.

HIM · Apr 18, 2025

Clare73 said:
You love God and you need rules to tell you not to use his name disrespectfully or worship other Gods?

I don't.

Just by what you wrote here, it is clear you do.

Not taking the Lord's name in vain has nothing really to do with using it in profanity as much as it does calling yourself a Christian and not living up to the family name.

And You would not be here, if it were not for the Bible.

The fact that you are trying to justify your stance says more than you know btw.

take care

SabbathBlessings · Apr 18, 2025

HIM said:
Nice post, but it does not fit in respect to the point to which we are making. Our friend SabbathBlessings shared through Scripture that in respect to the Ten Commandments none were added.

Here is the verse.

Deut 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

What most fail to realize is the reason God stopped talking at Ten. And why we even had the Commandments on tablets of stone and the Book of the Law in the first place. And what God said in respect to that.

Deut 5:23 And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
Deut 5:24 And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.

Deut 5:25 Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.
Deut 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
Deut 5:30 Go say to them, Get you into your tents again.
Deut 5:31 But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess it.

As we can see Our Lord was not finished speaking. He stopped because Israel pleaded for Him to stop. For they could not endure that which was commanded. Take note also of the use of the phrase "all the commandments" above in verse 29 and 31 one. All implies there are more.

There are many other commandments that will stand into eternity that are not remotely connected to the Ten.

For example the dietary commandments. The commandments pertaining to bestiality, laying with one's mother, father, sister, brother, homosexuality, and fornication. The commandments for king's and those who do Ministerial work not to drink strong drink. The commandment for us to know God's word and teach it to our children.

These are but a few. There are many more, but I am sure you get the point.

Thank you. I pray yours was blessed. And here we are a week later. May your day be guided by His hand as we approach yet another Sabbath.

The point I believe the Scriptures is making in Deut 5:22 that nothing more was added to the Ten Commandments written on stone. If you can show where God went on to write the other laws on stone. I would be interested in finding that scripture. God only spoke and God only wrote the Ten Commandments, it’s a standalone unit.

I think Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 does a fine job explaining this and Deut 31:24-26 goes on to show that Moses wrote the rest of the law that was aside from the Ten Commandments, written on paper placed outside or beside the ark.

No one has ever claimed that there are not other laws aside from the Ten, but God made a distinction with the Ten by design, numbering them Ten, was one of those distinctions. Being personally written by the God of the universe is another, it is His personal Testimony Exo 31:18

SabbathBlessings · Apr 18, 2025

childeye 2 said:
As such, I don't see Jesus blaming anyone. I see him blaming the flesh.

I'll put this again for you to see, Jesus never once placed blame on the flesh, or said one is deceived if breaking His commandments. He holds us accountable for our own actions.

Where does it say anyone was deceived, we should not add to the Bible, its something we are told not to, but let God direct our paths and He does through His clear Word.

Mat 5:27 “You have heard that it was said [i]to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

What I believe He is illustrating is not to put ourselves in situations that will tempt us, flee from it instead. I hear people use excuses all the time, there is a women at my job who I am very attracted to, but I am married, I am having a hard time controlling myself, but I love my job and need it, better to go on unemployment and downsize than to sin and give in to the temptation. I have to work on Saturdays so can't keep the commandment because I need the money, better to find yourself another job so you can obey God, this is what Jesus is teaching through this example. This is how much Jesus does not want us to sin, because the wages of sin is death and nothing on this earth is going to be worth hearing Jesus say these words at His Second Coming- depart from Me, ye who practice lawlessness Mat 7:23. When we make the decision to obey Him through love and faith, He will be with us every step of the way

1 Cor 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.

Those who choose not to remove themselves from the situation and sin are not deceived, they sin and will be accountable at Judgement Day is they don't repent and turn from their sin Pro 28:13. If one is weak in the flesh more time in prayer is needed to ask His help to overcome.

The evil one tempts us, and God's Word exposes what the devil does, and we have access to it and access to God's moral law of right and wrong and His Words teaching us how to overcome, just as He did. We have no excuses; we must take accountability for ourselves.

Heb 4:1515 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

childeye 2 said:
Yes, we will be held accountable, but since we are all flesh, we will be judged by what measure we use to judge others. So, the issue of how much we blame others is going to determine how God blames us. Many of the last will be first and many of the first will be last. Those who are forgiven much will love the Master more than those forgiven little. Since I acknowledge that I need God's Spirit to not sin, I don't want to project blame because as if His righteousness didn't come by grace.

I guarantee you, there is no sin that happens without first believing something untrue. How do I know this? Because sin is a direction away from God's Holy Character. Every falsehood invented by the devil is therefore based on false imagery.

So, while It's easy to say they both were told and claim they knew not to eat, that doesn't even acknowledge that Adam was facing the question of who to trust God or the woman. I will be judged by what measure I use to judge others. If I judge that Adam knew what he was doing when caving to the woman who was deceived, then I'm calling God a liar.

Any will/desire that goes against God is based on falsehood because God is Truth.

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

The serpent is insinuating that God is telling them that they will die if they eat so as to keep them from knowledge that will make them like gods. It's a false untrustworthy image of god that the serpent is introducing.

The woman is innocent and does not know how to lie or even knows what a lie is nor that she is subconsciously accepting a false image of god. Had she known to say to the serpent that she was already made in God's Image, the lie would have not created any desire to be like God.

So someone who is married and commits adultery is someone else's fault, not their own because they were deceived by their flesh and did know the difference between right and wrong. Someone who murders another human being because they wanted their money, not their fault. The bible is filled with stories that shows this is not true. Basically you are saying God never gave us a moral compass or His moral law to know the difference between right and wrong, but is going to Judge us on this very thing and most will not inherit eternal life because of this, when its not their fault. This is the attack on God's holy character, because God does give us each a measure of faith Romans 12:3 He has given us everything including His life in hopes we will choose right instead of wrong. Its about our choices, because God loves us so much He gave us free will.

Deut 30:15 “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, 16 in that I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the Lord your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess. 17 But if your heart turns away so that you do not hear, and are drawn away, and worship other gods and serve them, 18 I announce to you today that you shall surely perish; you shall not prolong your days in the land which you cross over the Jordan to go in and possess. 19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;

Life is all about choices. And we will be Judged on those choices. We have to take accountability for our own actions. Sinning is a choice. We can't blame someone else for them, we are all accountable for what we do. 2 Cor 5:10

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

JesusFollowerForever · Apr 18, 2025

childeye 2 said:
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Please take no offense as I point out that your question as posed is based upon a premise I don't agree with. I do not believe it's Jesus' intention to explain how a man is deceived when he looks at another woman so as to lust.

I could easily point out that a man is deceived if when he looks at another woman to lust, he thinks it's not adultery. But what I'm saying is that I do not believe that is Jesus' point. I believe his intent is to convey that inwardly the heart needs to be cleansed just as he said the cup must first be cleaned on the inside so that the outside will be clean. I believe his point is that we need God's Spirit within as a characteristic quality of virtue. His Spirit is what keeps us Holy. A new heart and a new spirit cleansed from false imagery transforms me into a new creation so that I can look at a woman and not lust.

25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Again, please do not take offense as I point out a premise in your question that I don't agree with. I do not see Jesus conveying that I must remove myself from the situation, so that I won't sin. I see him conveying that I have already sinned in my heart just by looking so as to lust.

Here is my problem with the articulation "selfish desires". As a matter of semantics, there are positive/neutral/ negative connotations of terms. Using certain tactics, the devil can deceive people by turning positives into negatives or visa-versa by using adjoining terms in the thought as qualifiers. Or he can make them look the same so that no one can tell the difference. So, the truth is that while these desires appear to be selfish in the negative connotation, they're not actually "self-serving" in the positive connotation. The reality is that sexual immorality is a sin against oneself.

Okay, so this is what you mean by removing yourself from the situation. If I'm reading you correctly, I think you're expressing that Jesus is conveying that I should not look at a woman to lust after her because it's the first step towards engaging in a sexual act with another woman. That's sound reasoning as a preventative course of action. But I still don't believe that is what he means, because he said I already committed adultery with her in the heart just by looking.

When Jesus speaks of plucking out my eye or cutting off my hand that causes me to sin, I think he's saying I need to overcome the flesh. And I also perceive that Jesus is expressing the severity of the situation if the flesh is not. I don't believe if I pluck out my eye or cut off my hand that I no longer will be an adulterer in my heart.

To overcome the flesh is from Paul but Jesus main point is to say to not put ourselves in a situation where we might be tempted. Just an example. How many men go out for a "beer" with buddies and go see dancers? sometimes they might feel that if they say no they will be excluded. We Have a Choice in all we do but also we must be careful to not put ourselves in a sitiation that might lead us to Sin. This is what Jesus explained here.

childeye 2 said:
Thanks for expressing the woman's point of view. But It's still carnal vanity. God's Spirit sees others as oneself and loves others as oneself. His Perfect Character would see both an ugly woman and a beautiful woman the same, as oneself.

As such, I don't see Jesus blaming anyone. I see him blaming the flesh. Yes, we will be held accountable, but since we are all flesh, we will be judged by what measure we use to judge others. So, the issue of how much we blame others is going to determine how God blames us. Many of the last will be first and many of the first will be last. Those who are forgiven much will love the Master more than those forgiven little. Since I acknowledge that I need God's Spirit to not sin, I don't want to project blame because as if His righteousness didn't come by grace.

Paul was blaming the flesh Not Jesus.
People can control the flesh, the problem is people do not persevere, it is not about about weak flesh, it can be surmounted. God makes this possible if we trust in him and we let him help us through the Holy Spirit , the comforter he sent us..

childeye 2 said:
I guarantee you, there is no sin that happens without first believing something untrue. How do I know this? Because sin is a direction away from God's Holy Character. Every falsehood invented by the devil is therefore based on false imagery.

So, while It's easy to say they both were told and claim they knew not to eat, that doesn't even acknowledge that Adam was facing the question of who to trust God or the woman. I will be judged by what measure I use to judge others. If I judge that Adam knew what he was doing when caving to the woman who was deceived, then I'm calling God a liar.

Any will/desire that goes against God is based on falsehood because God is Truth.

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

The serpent is insinuating that God is telling them that they will die if they eat so as to keep them from knowledge that will make them like gods. It's a false untrustworthy image of god that the serpent is introducing.

The woman is innocent and does not know how to lie or even knows what a lie is nor that she is subconsciously accepting a false image of god. Had she known to say to the serpent that she was already made in God's Image, the lie would have not created any desire to be like God.

The serpent is clearly lying by mixing truths and lies, manipulation and deception all rolled up in a single phrase. When he said what He said, Eve believed it because she saw a possible "false" advantage for her ""to be like GOD and know good and evil" this is exactly what Satan tried to do, to become Higher than GOD, he was covetous and envious, He was a magnificent angelic being of great beauty and power but wanted more, the same for Eve, she lived in PARADISE with GOD but she wanted more, yes she decided to eat the fruit in Clear desobedience to GOD. She Knew when she ate of the forbidden fruit. We all know what happened next, explusion from paradise and bannisment from being in the presence of GOD, a lot ot hardships and untimately, Death!

The key here is -->OBEDIENCE<--. God does test us, We may not always see the reasons for all GOD asks us to do, but God wants us to be like him, to be Holy as he is Holy, It requires a continuous transformation and vigilance on out part. It is not an easy thing to do in today's society.

Clare73 · Apr 18, 2025

HIM said:
Just by what you wrote here, it is clear you do.

Not taking the Lord's name in vain has nothing really to do with using it in profanity as much as it does calling yourself a Christian and not living up to the family name.

Not according to the wording of the commandment. . .

That's your personal alteration of its plain meaning.

JesusFollowerForever · Apr 18, 2025

HIM said:
Nice post, but it does not fit in respect to the point to which we are making. Our friend SabbathBlessings shared through Scripture that in respect to the Ten Commandments none were added.

Here is the verse.

Deut 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

What most fail to realize is the reason God stopped talking at Ten. And why we even had the Commandments on tablets of stone and the Book of the Law in the first place. And what God said in respect to that.

Deut 5:23 And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
Deut 5:24 And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.

Deut 5:25 Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.
Deut 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
Deut 5:30 Go say to them, Get you into your tents again.
Deut 5:31 But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess it.

As we can see Our Lord was not finished speaking. He stopped because Israel pleaded for Him to stop. For they could not endure that which was commanded. Take note also of the use of the phrase "all the commandments" above in verse 29 and 31 one. All implies there are more.

There are many other commandments that will stand into eternity that are not remotely connected to the Ten.

For example the dietary commandments. The commandments pertaining to bestiality, laying with one's mother, father, sister, brother, homosexuality, and fornication. The commandments for king's and those who do Ministerial work not to drink strong drink. The commandment for us to know God's word and teach it to our children.

These are but a few. There are many more, but I am sure you get the point.

Thank you. I pray yours was blessed. And here we are a week later. May your day be guided by His hand as we approach yet another Sabbath.

Still it does remove the fact that GOD said the ten commandments are the covenant, the basis for all the laws that were given ,also do not forget that gentiles are not israelites. and the apostles in Acts gave the gentiles only 4 commands from the law if Moses as it would have been a burden otherwise, for them at that time. furthermore many of the commandments ordinances other than the 10 commandments cannot be followed today but I say this, all other command given by GOD to Moses could certainly be obeyed when applicable Yes!

What is certain is the ten commandments are the covenant and will never change, see in the book of revelations where the ark of the covenant was seen in Heaven.

Blessings.

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3. "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain."​

4. "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy."​

5. "Honor your father and your mother."​

6. "You shall not murder."​

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1. "You shall have no other gods before Me."

2. "You shall not make for yourselves a carved image."

3. "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain."

4. "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy."

5. "Honor your father and your mother."

6. "You shall not murder."

7. "You shall not commit adultery."

8. "You shall not steal."

9. "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."

10. "You shall not covet."