it is a sin to add to your natural appearance? really? where did God say so?

Redwingfan9 · May 19, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
I am being deadly serious here

A christian lady told me the other day that it is a sin to add to your natural appearance or take away from it. she told me adornments are a sin. she said that women go to hell for wearing make up or jewellery. she also believes hair dye sends you to hell. she says there are testimonies based on this.

Some other christians have told me that wearing perfume, heels of any sort (even low heels. as someone with a disability all i can wear is low heels! a,m gonna be toast then!), wigs, weaves, etc even wedding bands can send you to hell.

oh and you cannot bob or trim your hair if you are a woman. or wear trousers. because, you know, hellfire.

I have hirutsim due to severe PCOS, if i don't shave or wax my face, legs, arms etc then i become very hairy (in summer this feels uncomfortable like am wearing a hair shirt, hot and sweaty) . I assume armpit shaving is OK as is to do with hygiene. so is it a sin to shave as a woman? for my comfort rather than vanity? also i don't want to look ungroomed or scruffy. that will limit my opportunities in life badly.

also is tweezing eyebrows ok? not to change shape of the brow or thin them but just if i want to pluck any straggly bits out?? for sake of looking neat, tidy, respectable?

I cannot find a scripture about any if these things saying they a sin except the one about not letting your beauty be due to pearls or braided hair and i assumed those were not forbidding these things per se but saying "let not your adornment MERELY be outward as in the wearing of costly clothes, jewels, braided hair etc" Maybe it only an issue if you wear those things to show off "Look how rich i am" or for other vanity reasons.

Also, if we are saved by grace, by faith in Jesus blood alone, i know we have to live holy as a sign of our salvation, but we don't do holy things to BE saved. so why would wearing say a wedding ring actually send soemone to Hell??? unless these things are an idol, i do not see why a problem? or the jewllery or clothes are linked to occult rituals (in some countries certain amulets linked to witchcraft)

To be fair i have gooogled a few of these "I saw women in hell for wearing x y z" testimonies and some of those churches linked to them have some bizarre doctrines eg tithing is mandatory under the new covenant, so is sabath keeping. now i realise many Godly christians practice these things and find them helpful and that is great! but i was under the impression that they weren't conditions for salvation? one of the churches also claimed that their founder had a vision by God that they were the last days "Ark"- the one true church by which you can be saved???!! many of them believe any contraception including natural family planning is sinful and that medication of any kind is witchcraft (again, i guess am gonna burn).

i do want to live a holy life before God but all these demands are making me a bit nervous? i grew up under a differen tkind of christian legalism and also suffered an abusive parent who created a picture of God in my mind as a stern cold wrathful hateful God... i am having much healing for that and am ina church where the emphasis is on Grace saving us and holy living being a result of that grace and not being alwys easy but not being a burden of dos and don'ts....my past led me to serious mental breakdowns and my MH has improved so much since learning about grace and how much am loved by God. This woman said my church is false because they dont talk about the wrath of God and how we live to live perfect and with NO SIN to make the rapture (this kind of thing reminds me of my upbringing, so not good for the Complex PTSD and associated issues). i shared my testimony with her but she was like "oh God did nice things for you so you would walk on the narrow way with Him and actually get saved properly!" oh, ok, then. unfriend. block. pray God help me forgive her and get me back on even keel

But seriously this has got me thinking WHERE did this idea come from that Christian women are not to adorn themselves? when i googled this is ofund an american website that said wearing a dress with a patter on it (eg flowers, polka dots) is adornment and a sin. now i am ona limite dincome and cannot sew. i have had lessons but i have no gift for it. many of my clothes are patterned or have short sleeves or skirts are mid calf (am also tall. i love maxi dresses but hard to find ones for 34 inch leg in the UK on a low budget). so am i going to be the devil's fried bread then? or is this all a load of nonsense?!

In Biblical times it was common for people to use perfumes because they didn't have deodorants like we have now. We see these mentioned on occasion, even by Jesus. There were also ointments for dry skin, such as what Mary put on Christ's feet to the chagrin of her sister Martha.

This notion that Christian women must look like dowdy prairie muffins is completely unbiblical.

dqhall · May 19, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
I am being deadly serious here

A christian lady told me the other day that it is a sin to add to your natural appearance or take away from it. she told me adornments are a sin. she said that women go to hell for wearing make up or jewellery. she also believes hair dye sends you to hell. she says there are testimonies based on this.

Some other christians have told me that wearing perfume, heels of any sort (even low heels. as someone with a disability all i can wear is low heels! a,m gonna be toast then!), wigs, weaves, etc even wedding bands can send you to hell.

oh and you cannot bob or trim your hair if you are a woman. or wear trousers. because, you know, hellfire.

I have hirutsim due to severe PCOS, if i don't shave or wax my face, legs, arms etc then i become very hairy (in summer this feels uncomfortable like am wearing a hair shirt, hot and sweaty) . I assume armpit shaving is OK as is to do with hygiene. so is it a sin to shave as a woman? for my comfort rather than vanity? also i don't want to look ungroomed or scruffy. that will limit my opportunities in life badly.

also is tweezing eyebrows ok? not to change shape of the brow or thin them but just if i want to pluck any straggly bits out?? for sake of looking neat, tidy, respectable?

I cannot find a scripture about any if these things saying they a sin except the one about not letting your beauty be due to pearls or braided hair and i assumed those were not forbidding these things per se but saying "let not your adornment MERELY be outward as in the wearing of costly clothes, jewels, braided hair etc" Maybe it only an issue if you wear those things to show off "Look how rich i am" or for other vanity reasons.

Also, if we are saved by grace, by faith in Jesus blood alone, i know we have to live holy as a sign of our salvation, but we don't do holy things to BE saved. so why would wearing say a wedding ring actually send soemone to Hell??? unless these things are an idol, i do not see why a problem? or the jewllery or clothes are linked to occult rituals (in some countries certain amulets linked to witchcraft)

To be fair i have gooogled a few of these "I saw women in hell for wearing x y z" testimonies and some of those churches linked to them have some bizarre doctrines eg tithing is mandatory under the new covenant, so is sabath keeping. now i realise many Godly christians practice these things and find them helpful and that is great! but i was under the impression that they weren't conditions for salvation? one of the churches also claimed that their founder had a vision by God that they were the last days "Ark"- the one true church by which you can be saved???!! many of them believe any contraception including natural family planning is sinful and that medication of any kind is witchcraft (again, i guess am gonna burn).

i do want to live a holy life before God but all these demands are making me a bit nervous? i grew up under a differen tkind of christian legalism and also suffered an abusive parent who created a picture of God in my mind as a stern cold wrathful hateful God... i am having much healing for that and am ina church where the emphasis is on Grace saving us and holy living being a result of that grace and not being alwys easy but not being a burden of dos and don'ts....my past led me to serious mental breakdowns and my MH has improved so much since learning about grace and how much am loved by God. This woman said my church is false because they dont talk about the wrath of God and how we live to live perfect and with NO SIN to make the rapture (this kind of thing reminds me of my upbringing, so not good for the Complex PTSD and associated issues). i shared my testimony with her but she was like "oh God did nice things for you so you would walk on the narrow way with Him and actually get saved properly!" oh, ok, then. unfriend. block. pray God help me forgive her and get me back on even keel

But seriously this has got me thinking WHERE did this idea come from that Christian women are not to adorn themselves? when i googled this is ofund an american website that said wearing a dress with a patter on it (eg flowers, polka dots) is adornment and a sin. now i am ona limite dincome and cannot sew. i have had lessons but i have no gift for it. many of my clothes are patterned or have short sleeves or skirts are mid calf (am also tall. i love maxi dresses but hard to find ones for 34 inch leg in the UK on a low budget). so am i going to be the devil's fried bread then? or is this all a load of nonsense?!

Some are obsessed with appearance, plastic surgery, botox and using makeup to appear unblemished as the Biblical writers favored the unblemished.

Yesterday I went to the dermatologist as I had a brown skin lesion the size of a dime growing on my forehead. I was worried about melanoma - malignant skin cancer. The doctor told me it was precancerous scale. I agreed she should freeze it off. Now I have a red brown freeze scar that should go away in time.

Peter advised against excessive investment in trying to improve your appearance.

1 Peter 3:3 (WEB) Let your beauty be not just the outward adorning of braiding the hair, and of wearing jewels of gold, or of putting on fine clothing; 4 but in the hidden person of the heart, in the incorruptible adornment of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God.

Lost4words · May 19, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
I am being deadly serious here

A christian lady told me the other day that it is a sin to add to your natural appearance or take away from it. she told me adornments are a sin. she said that women go to hell for wearing make up or jewellery. she also believes hair dye sends you to hell. she says there are testimonies based on this.

Some other christians have told me that wearing perfume, heels of any sort (even low heels. as someone with a disability all i can wear is low heels! a,m gonna be toast then!), wigs, weaves, etc even wedding bands can send you to hell.

oh and you cannot bob or trim your hair if you are a woman. or wear trousers. because, you know, hellfire.

I have hirutsim due to severe PCOS, if i don't shave or wax my face, legs, arms etc then i become very hairy (in summer this feels uncomfortable like am wearing a hair shirt, hot and sweaty) . I assume armpit shaving is OK as is to do with hygiene. so is it a sin to shave as a woman? for my comfort rather than vanity? also i don't want to look ungroomed or scruffy. that will limit my opportunities in life badly.

also is tweezing eyebrows ok? not to change shape of the brow or thin them but just if i want to pluck any straggly bits out?? for sake of looking neat, tidy, respectable?

I cannot find a scripture about any if these things saying they a sin except the one about not letting your beauty be due to pearls or braided hair and i assumed those were not forbidding these things per se but saying "let not your adornment MERELY be outward as in the wearing of costly clothes, jewels, braided hair etc" Maybe it only an issue if you wear those things to show off "Look how rich i am" or for other vanity reasons.

Also, if we are saved by grace, by faith in Jesus blood alone, i know we have to live holy as a sign of our salvation, but we don't do holy things to BE saved. so why would wearing say a wedding ring actually send soemone to Hell??? unless these things are an idol, i do not see why a problem? or the jewllery or clothes are linked to occult rituals (in some countries certain amulets linked to witchcraft)

To be fair i have gooogled a few of these "I saw women in hell for wearing x y z" testimonies and some of those churches linked to them have some bizarre doctrines eg tithing is mandatory under the new covenant, so is sabath keeping. now i realise many Godly christians practice these things and find them helpful and that is great! but i was under the impression that they weren't conditions for salvation? one of the churches also claimed that their founder had a vision by God that they were the last days "Ark"- the one true church by which you can be saved???!! many of them believe any contraception including natural family planning is sinful and that medication of any kind is witchcraft (again, i guess am gonna burn).

i do want to live a holy life before God but all these demands are making me a bit nervous? i grew up under a differen tkind of christian legalism and also suffered an abusive parent who created a picture of God in my mind as a stern cold wrathful hateful God... i am having much healing for that and am ina church where the emphasis is on Grace saving us and holy living being a result of that grace and not being alwys easy but not being a burden of dos and don'ts....my past led me to serious mental breakdowns and my MH has improved so much since learning about grace and how much am loved by God. This woman said my church is false because they dont talk about the wrath of God and how we live to live perfect and with NO SIN to make the rapture (this kind of thing reminds me of my upbringing, so not good for the Complex PTSD and associated issues). i shared my testimony with her but she was like "oh God did nice things for you so you would walk on the narrow way with Him and actually get saved properly!" oh, ok, then. unfriend. block. pray God help me forgive her and get me back on even keel

But seriously this has got me thinking WHERE did this idea come from that Christian women are not to adorn themselves? when i googled this is ofund an american website that said wearing a dress with a patter on it (eg flowers, polka dots) is adornment and a sin. now i am ona limite dincome and cannot sew. i have had lessons but i have no gift for it. many of my clothes are patterned or have short sleeves or skirts are mid calf (am also tall. i love maxi dresses but hard to find ones for 34 inch leg in the UK on a low budget). so am i going to be the devil's fried bread then? or is this all a load of nonsense?!

Does that mean i cant visit the poodle parlour and get my eye brows plucked?

Brightmoon · May 19, 2020

If God didn’t like colors....
Gum tree sea slug on coral
houseplant polkadot plant the original color was pink

even humans come in different colors and if you’re talking about other primates , male mandrills have blue and red faces.

I always thought that Christian drab was a stupid unnatural idea

Brightmoon · May 19, 2020

And my two cents about so called modest clothing . Long skirts are dangerous you can’t defend yourself well or run in one because they’ll wrap around your legs . Ballerinas wearing a long skirt wear costumes that are designed not to do that. Wear whatever you wish and tell mrs busybody to mind her own business

StephenDiscipleofYHWH · May 19, 2020

Wearing makeup in the bible is a custom only kept and practiced by the ungodly such as Jezebel and other unnamed harlots(Jeremiah 4:30, Rev 2:20-23, 1 Kings 16:31-32, 1 Kings 19:1-21, 1 Kings 18:4,13,19, 2 Kings 9:22, 29-37, Ez 23:38-46, Isaiah 3:16-24), and we are told time and time again not to adopt the practices and customs/traditions of the heathen in scripture(Leviticus 18:2-4,Jer 10:2-3,8; Deut 12:29-32, 2 Cor 6:14-17, Eph 5:6-12) always being told to keep the traditions of the Apostles and Christ(2 Thess 2:14-17;2 Thess 3:4,6;1 Cor 11:1-2) and not the traditions of men(colossians 2:8). And something is be considered is that in (Esther 2:9,12) it was not beauty treatments or makeup but rather purification treatments meant for cleansing and not in any way about beauty.
Hebrew 8562 (Tamruq)
A scrapping, Rubbing
cleanse, thing for purification
Or tamruq {tam-rook'}; or tamriyq {tam-reek'}; from maraq; properly, a scouring, i.e. Soap or perfumery for the bath; figuratively, a detergent -- X cleanse, (thing for) purification(-fying).

If a custom did not come from the Apostles and has only ever been kept by non-Christians then ask yourself where is the reason for doing it? Should we allow every heathen practice into the Church in the name of liberty in Christ? Just questions to ask yourself as you continue looking for the truth that is in Christ.

As for jewelry remember that the NT laws are not the OT laws, and while it was okay in the OT to wear jewelry the NT has it own law(law of Faith/spirit in Christ) that we are to follow out of faith. And in it we are shown that to put our ornaments/jewelry far from us(both men and women) as a way to humble ourselves before the Lord and give all glory to him(1 Peter 3:3-6, 1 Timothy 2:9-10, 1 Timothy 3:11, Titus 2:1-5) just as it was in the Old Testament(Exodus 33:3-6) but now we do it by faith(following his commands out of faith). It is true the Lord looks at our heart when we are doing anything(1 Samuel 16:17; 1 Peter 3:4), but does that mean we can sin and transgress the commands of God so long as our heart or mind is for him? If that were the case those who kill us thinking they are doing the Lord a service would be doing a good work and not an evil one(John 16:2). And remember it is not a strange and new thing to be shown how best to please God in the way that we dress for even during the time the Lord spoke to Samuel there were strict commands on how a person was to dress(Deut 22:5, 11-12). So it is not just about the heart but is both about what you are doing and your heart while you are doing it. Follow the law out of faith, and not for salvation(salvation is a free gift through Christ).
1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Romans 14:23
23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Lastly concerning your hair, the Lord through Paul only teaches us how we are to treat the hair on our heads(1 Cor 11), since no other hair on our body is mentioned that means do with it as you please there is no law one way or another.

I hope this helps,
May God bless and Guide you into all truth Sister

Junia · May 19, 2020

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
Wearing makeup in the bible is a custom only kept and practiced by the ungodly such as Jezebel and other unnamed harlots(Jeremiah 4:30, Rev 2:20-23, 1 Kings 16:31-32, 1 Kings 19:1-21, 1 Kings 18:4,13,19, 2 Kings 9:22, 29-37, Ez 23:38-46, Isaiah 3:16-24), and we are told time and time again not to adopt the practices and customs/traditions of the heathen in scripture(Leviticus 18:2-4,Jer 10:2-3,8; Deut 12:29-32, 2 Cor 6:14-17, Eph 5:6-12) always being told to keep the traditions of the Apostles and Christ(2 Thess 2:14-17;2 Thess 3:4,6;1 Cor 11:1-2) and not the traditions of men(colossians 2:8). And something is be considered is that in (Esther 2:9,12) it was not beauty treatments or makeup but rather purification treatments meant for cleansing and not in any way about beauty.
Hebrew 8562 (Tamruq)
A scrapping, Rubbing
cleanse, thing for purification
Or tamruq {tam-rook'}; or tamriyq {tam-reek'}; from maraq; properly, a scouring, i.e. Soap or perfumery for the bath; figuratively, a detergent -- X cleanse, (thing for) purification(-fying).

If a custom did not come from the Apostles and has only ever been kept by non-Christians then ask yourself where is the reason for doing it? Should we allow every heathen practice into the Church in the name of liberty in Christ? Just questions to ask yourself as you continue looking for the truth that is in Christ.

As for jewelry remember that the NT laws are not the OT laws, and while it was okay in the OT to wear jewelry the NT has it own law(law of Faith/spirit in Christ) that we are to follow out of faith. And in it we are shown that to put our ornaments/jewelry far from us(both men and women) as a way to humble ourselves before the Lord and give all glory to him(1 Peter 3:3-6, 1 Timothy 2:9-10, 1 Timothy 3:11, Titus 2:1-5) just as it was in the Old Testament(Exodus 33:3-6) but now we do it by faith(following his commands out of faith). It is true the Lord looks at our heart when we are doing anything(1 Samuel 16:17; 1 Peter 3:4), but does that mean we can sin and transgress the commands of God so long as our heart or mind is for him? If that were the case those who kill us thinking they are doing the Lord a service would be doing a good work and not an evil one(John 16:2). And remember it is not a strange and new thing to be shown how best to please God in the way that we dress for even during the time the Lord spoke to Samuel there were strict commands on how a person was to dress(Deut 22:5, 11-12). So it is not just about the heart but is both about what you are doing and your heart while you are doing it. Follow the law out of faith, and not for salvation(salvation is a free gift through Christ).
1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Romans 14:23
23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Lastly concerning your hair, the Lord through Paul only teaches us how we are to treat the hair on our heads(1 Cor 11), since no other hair on our body is mentioned that means do with it as you please there is no law one way or another.

I hope this helps,
May God bless and Guide you into all truth Sister

ok, i wil give up the make up then and keep the rest. i do believe that New Testament is what we follow and there hav ebeen no commands added to the Bible since the cannon was closed. so i go by the NT, not htose weird "revelations" of "i saw christians in hell for x y z...." they are not Biblical at all! corsets and high heels not forbidden in the word, or perfume, or trimming your hair, like they claim... i trim my hair regularly, and wear perfume and the Lord has never once convicted me about it. i guess the issue would be if i were a vain person, thankfully that is not one of my many sins! i do have other sins which God is freeing me from, Praise His Name, but i never was one to think high of myself. am just a child of jesus made righteous by His blood alone. nothing if my own is to do with that.

bless you, brother

Junia · May 19, 2020

Lost4words said:
Does that mean i cant visit the poodle parlour and get my eye brows plucked?

even my guinea pigs get groomed, so go for it! my guinea pigs are very christian souls

Strong in Him · May 19, 2020

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
Wearing makeup in the bible is a custom only kept and practiced by the ungodly such as Jezebel and other unnamed harlots(Jeremiah 4:30, Rev 2:20-23, 1 Kings 16:31-32, 1 Kings 19:1-21, 1 Kings 18:4,13,19, 2 Kings 9:22, 29-37, Ez 23:38-46, Isaiah 3:16-24),

We are not told that other women wore make up, but how do we know they didn't? It's not mentioned and certainly not forbidden.

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
And something is be considered is that in (Esther 2:9,12) it was not beauty treatments or makeup but rather purification treatments meant for cleansing and not in any way about beauty.

Esther, and the other women, spent a year getting themselves clean in order to see the king?
Several translations mention perfumes and beauty treatments.

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
If a custom did not come from the Apostles and has only ever been kept by non-Christians then ask yourself where is the reason for doing it?

If Scripture doesn't forbid it; why not?
There are customs which Christians keep which the Apostles didn't - like the insistence that Holy Communion is only "proper" if presided over by an ordained person.

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
Should we allow every heathen practice into the Church in the name of liberty in Christ?

Of course not, but nail varnish and make up are not heathen. They have no moral or religious values or attributes and don't affect how we worship God.

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
As for jewelry remember that the NT laws are not the OT laws, and while it was okay in the OT to wear jewelry the NT has it own law(law of Faith/spirit in Christ) that we are to follow out of faith. And in it we are shown that to put our ornaments/jewelry far from us(both men and women) as a way to humble ourselves before the Lord and give all glory to him(1 Peter 3:3-6, 1 Timothy 2:9-10, 1 Timothy 3:11, Titus 2:1-5)

Oh?
Are you saying I can't give glory to God while I am wearing my wedding and engagement rings, cross and chain and earrings? Or if we are going out and I wear a necklace that my husband bought me as a gift, that I am dishonouring God?

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
just as it was in the Old Testament(Exodus 33:3-6) but now we do it by faith(following his commands out of faith). It is true the Lord looks at our heart when we are doing anything(1 Samuel 16:17; 1 Peter 3:4), but does that mean we can sin and transgress the commands of God so long as our heart or mind is for him?

It's not a command of God that we should not wear jewellery.
If it were, then every single Christian who has exchanged rings in church on their wedding day and continues to wear them - clergy included - has sinned.

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
And remember it is not a strange and new thing to be shown how best to please God in the way that we dress for even during the time the Lord spoke to Samuel there were strict commands on how a person was to dress(Deut 22:5, 11-12).

In robes and sandals, you mean?

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
Lastly concerning your hair, the Lord through Paul only teaches us how we are to treat the hair on our heads(1 Cor 11), since no other hair on our body is mentioned that means do with it as you please there is no law one way or another.

Whether there is a law or not, we are talking about a medical condition here, not vanity.

Strong in Him · May 19, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
ok, i wil give up the make up then and keep the rest. i do believe that New Testament is what we follow and there hav ebeen no commands added to the Bible since the cannon was closed. so i go by the NT, not htose weird "revelations" of "i saw christians in hell for x y z...." they are not Biblical at all!

Amen!
But please, give up wearing make up because you think you should, or want to, and not because someone else is trying to make you feel that you should.

Junia · May 19, 2020

Strong in Him said:
Amen!
But please, give up wearing make up because you think you should, or want to, and not because someone else is trying to make you feel that you should.

to be honest i wear make up very rarely just for everyday appearance (of course stage make up isnt' forbidden, so that a non issue for us performers). i find it a hassle. i di used to wear it for the wrong reasons, to try and feel less "ugly" but God told me to try a season without it. i fasted it for a season and when it was over i didn;t care whether i went back to it or not...i can take or leave it.....i do sometimes wear a little powder on my greasy acne prone (another lovely gift from the metabolic disease known as PCOS) skin if i need to look very smart but am no longer fussed about my eyes, lips etc... i dont like male attention much and am a bit of a social wallflower when am not singing on stage, and unless i were looking for a husband i dont se the need to be very glam..

my obsessions are more things like nice shoes (i need a low heel, cant wear stilettos, but cant wear flats either due to a neuro muscular condition) and i do like jewellery (modest costume stuff, i cant afford expensive. i go to Primark instead or thrift stores). i also like to sometimes wear pashmina scrves just cos i like them. and i wear short sleeves or slevelss if am hot (no low cut tops or short skirts).... i dont believe women go to hell for showing their arms like some chuches claim. i mean, salvation is not to do with our bodies, eating drinking, and i guess that includes clothing. and everything in this world i sproabbly controlled by the devil and full of demons, so ni oint in living ina cave wearing hemp robes and eating berries....we can live i the world because we are not of it!

Blade · May 19, 2020

Just yesterday watching some preachers. I've notice over time how.. well allot are dressing casual? You know the preacher has holes in his pants and the women up there..singing or preacher are not dress up at all. So? Yeah.. means nothing to me. I'm 59 so back then...pfft you HAD to dress up. Not for others but for GOD Seems I've come full circle.

God does not expect us to follow how Israel or the first Church (church.. they met in homes) came together or worshiped. Worship.. yeah they didn't just stand there and sing some song lol.

We should be going for Him. Not for others. So.. want to ware make up, jewelry.. or you don't who cares? The word is clear on.. were not here to please man. You go for HIM. Its HIM your pleasing. And.. I am sure if it bothered Him so much He would tell you Were going home soon and were going to find we worried thought about things that mean NOTHING. Things we should never have put so much thought into.

I could not tell you in all the years I've went to Church.. talked, taught you name it.. where I even cared or sorry noticed any woman that didn't have make up. You do notice when theres TO much lol. Or dresses.. in the end.. didn't care. They were not there for me.

Junia · May 19, 2020

Blade said:
Just yesterday watching some preachers. I've notice over time how.. well allot are dressing casual? You know the preacher has holes in his pants and the women up there..singing or preacher are not dress up at all. So? Yeah.. means nothing to me. I'm 59 so back then...pfft you HAD to dress up. Not for others but for GOD Seems I've come full circle.

God does not expect us to follow how Israel or the first Church (church.. they met in homes) came together or worshiped. Worship.. yeah they didn't just stand there and sing some song lol.

We should be going for Him. Not for others. So.. want to ware make up, jewelry.. or you don't who cares? The word is clear on.. were not here to please man. You go for HIM. Its HIM your pleasing. And.. I am sure if it bothered Him so much He would tell you Were going home soon and were going to find we worried thought about things that mean NOTHING. Things we should never have put so much thought into.

I could not tell you in all the years I've went to Church.. talked, taught you name it.. where I even cared or sorry noticed any woman that didn't have make up. You do notice when theres TO much lol. Or dresses.. in the end.. didn't care. They were not there for me.

beautifully put. thank you!

Junia · May 19, 2020

Strong in Him said:
We are not told that other women wore make up, but how do we know they didn't? It's not mentioned and certainly not forbidden.

Esther, and the other women, spent a year getting themselves clean in order to see the king?
Several translations mention perfumes and beauty treatments.

If Scripture doesn't forbid it; why not?
There are customs which Christians keep which the Apostles didn't - like the insistence that Holy Communion is only "proper" if presided over by an ordained person.

Of course not, but nail varnish and make up are not heathen. They have no moral or religious values or attributes and don't affect how we worship God.

Oh?
Are you saying I can't give glory to God while I am wearing my wedding and engagement rings, cross and chain and earrings? Or if we are going out and I wear a necklace that my husband bought me as a gift, that I am dishonouring God?

It's not a command of God that we should not wear jewellery.
If it were, then every single Christian who has exchanged rings in church on their wedding day and continues to wear them - clergy included - has sinned.

In robes and sandals, you mean?

Whether there is a law or not, we are talking about a medical condition here, not vanity.

amen! yeah, definitely the shaving thing (and the need to wear low heels) are medical. i cannot change the body i been given.

you certianly can give glory to God when you worship because we are now the righteousness of Christ, i believe every time we come to Him, He sees us as His son, made righteous... so i think God will still accept us if we wear jewels, make up etc

being accepted by God is conditional on whether we have recieved His son Jesus or not. obedience is still neccessary of course but we still approach God even when we are not perfect. if we onky come to God when we good He cannot help us.

StephenDiscipleofYHWH · May 19, 2020

Strong in Him said:
We are not told that other women wore make up, but how do we know they didn't? It's not mentioned and certainly not forbidden.

Esther, and the other women, spent a year getting themselves clean in order to see the king?
Several translations mention perfumes and beauty treatments.

If Scripture doesn't forbid it; why not?
There are customs which Christians keep which the Apostles didn't - like the insistence that Holy Communion is only "proper" if presided over by an ordained person.

Of course not, but nail varnish and make up are not heathen. They have no moral or religious values or attributes and don't affect how we worship God.

Oh?
Are you saying I can't give glory to God while I am wearing my wedding and engagement rings, cross and chain and earrings? Or if we are going out and I wear a necklace that my husband bought me as a gift, that I am dishonouring God?

It's not a command of God that we should not wear jewellery.
If it were, then every single Christian who has exchanged rings in church on their wedding day and continues to wear them - clergy included - has sinned.

In robes and sandals, you mean?

Whether there is a law or not, we are talking about a medical condition here, not vanity.

1. Makeup in the bible is a practice only ever said to be done by the ungodly(as I have shown in scripture), it is their tradition. Now we know that Paul and the Apostles fully preached the doctrine and traditions of Christ, so if a known heathen custom(at the Apostles time) such as this, were now allowed it would then have been stated in scripture. So i ask for you to show proof from God's word that this Pagan Practice was kept by the people of God. If you cannot then there is only condemnation of the practice(and those who keep it) and not acceptance or allowance for it.

2. They spent a year being purified as the definition of the word states. Part of that purification is cleansing, but no part of it was about beautification or outward adornment for the pleasing of man.

3. The Apostles fully preached the doctrine and traditions of Christ, if they did not say that we should do it then we should not. That people think to change or add to their traditions does not mean they are right in doing so. Scripture forbids keeping the customs and traditions of the heathen and ungodly clearly and with all certainty. Did the ungodly keep it as their own tradition or practice? Then the Godly do not, we have our own set of traditions, culture, and customs we are a nation separate from the nation of the world. We are a light among the darkness, though we dwell in a crooked and perverse nation we still show forth the customs given by the Lord and the Light of his true and perfect way.

4. They do though, it was the Pagans who came up with these practices. We are the temple of the holy spirit created in the image of God, did the ancient Hebrews paint the holy of Holies to suit their own aesthetic desires? We dishonor the Holy spirits temple in doing these things, we do not show forth the Love of God in these actions, we only give heed to the traditions of men that lead to perdition. We should not even have the Appearance of evil(1 Thess 5:22) but show the truth of God in every action and praise his handiwork in fashioning us in the manner he saw fit.

5. It gives no honor to the Lord to transgress his commands. If you love God you will keep his commandments. Again you cannot work iniquity thinking you are doing the Lord a service and expect a reward or praise from the Lord in the end. You cannot praise him with your lips but be in every work reprobate(1 John 2:3-6), the Lord will judge us by our deeds in the end according to his law(Romans 2:5-11,16).

6. It is a command of God that we should not wear Jewelry((1 Peter 3:3-6, 1 Timothy 2:9-10, 1 Timothy 3:11, Titus 2:1-5), that there is a multitude of people that practice and keep this tradition(and thereby sin) does not make it right. Remember straight and narrow is the way, and not many thereby will find it(Matt 7:13-14) but there will be many who sought the Lord by their own means but the Lord will cast them into the Lake of Fire(Matt 7:21-23) for even the righteous shall scarcely be saved( 1 Peter 4:18-19).

7. Yes, a strict code of dress for both mean and women. God has always shown us his way, we need only look to his word to find it.

8. As I pointed out Sister, there is no law on how we are to treat the rest of our body hair. Just the hair on our heads.

As this is not a place for argument I will stop the discussion here, but if you would like to discuss this further over private message or in different section of this site I would be happy to continue speaking with you.

May the Light and truth of the Lord be upon you.

Junia · May 19, 2020

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
1. Makeup in the bible is a practice only ever said to be done by the ungodly(as I have shown in scripture), it is their tradition. Now we know that Paul and the Apostles fully preached the doctrine and traditions of Christ, so if a known heathen custom(at the Apostles time) such as this, were now allowed it would then have been stated in scripture. So i ask for you to show proof from God's word that this Pagan Practice was kept by the people of God. If you cannot then there is only condemnation of the practice(and those who keep it) and not acceptance or allowance for it.

2. They spent a year being purified as the definition of the word states. Part of that purification is cleansing, but no part of it was about beautification or outward adornment for the pleasing of man.

3. The Apostles fully preached the doctrine and traditions of Christ, if they did not say that we should do it then we should not. That people think to change or add to their traditions does not mean they are right in doing so. Scripture forbids keeping the customs and traditions of the heathen and ungodly clearly and with all certainty. Did the ungodly keep it as their own tradition or practice? Then the Godly do not, we have our own set of traditions, culture, and customs we are a nation separate from the nation of the world. We are a light among the darkness, though we dwell in a crooked and perverse nation we still show forth the customs given by the Lord and the Light of his true and perfect way.

4. They do though, it was the Pagans who came up with these practices. We are the temple of the holy spirit created in the image of God, did the ancient Hebrews paint the holy of Holies to suit their own aesthetic desires? We dishonor the Holy spirits temple in doing these things, we do not show forth the Love of God in these actions, we only give heed to the traditions of men that lead to perdition. We should not even have the Appearance of evil(1 Thess 5:22) but show the truth of God in every action and praise his handiwork in fashioning us in the manner he saw fit.

5. It gives no honor to the Lord to transgress his commands. If you love God you will keep his commandments. Again you cannot work iniquity thinking you are doing the Lord a service and expect a reward or praise from the Lord in the end. You cannot praise him with your lips but be in every work reprobate(1 John 2:3-6), the Lord will judge us by our deeds in the end according to his law(Romans 2:5-11,16).

6. It is a command of God that we should not wear Jewelry((1 Peter 3:3-6, 1 Timothy 2:9-10, 1 Timothy 3:11, Titus 2:1-5), that there is a multitude of people that practice and keep this tradition(and thereby sin) does not make it right. Remember straight and narrow is the way, and not many thereby will find it(Matt 7:13-14) but there will be many who sought the Lord by their own means but the Lord will cast them into the Lake of Fire(Matt 7:21-23) for even the righteous shall scarcely be saved( 1 Peter 4:18-19).

7. Yes, a strict code of dress for both mean and women. God has always shown us his way, we need only look to his word to find it.

8. As I pointed out Sister, there is no law on how we are to treat the rest of our body hair. Just the hair on our heads.

As this is not a place for argument I will stop the discussion here, but if you would like to discuss this further over private message or in different section of this site I would be happy to continue speaking with you.

May the Light and truth of the Lord be upon you.

blessings to you. too. am not arguing but i dont understand why you say the dress code is strict?

the bible says cover your head and dont wear mak e up or jewelllery. that doesnt sound strict to me.... i will just do those 3 things then i wil be

just 3 clothing rules for us to keep. well am relieved about that. soem churches have dozens so am gload t se bible only mentions 3...the head covering is for church also. so will but a hat for church then am all set! thanks for reassuring me brother. i was worrying i would have to buy a whole new wardrobe!!!

Junia · May 19, 2020

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
1. Makeup in the bible is a practice only ever said to be done by the ungodly(as I have shown in scripture), it is their tradition. Now we know that Paul and the Apostles fully preached the doctrine and traditions of Christ, so if a known heathen custom(at the Apostles time) such as this, were now allowed it would then have been stated in scripture. So i ask for you to show proof from God's word that this Pagan Practice was kept by the people of God. If you cannot then there is only condemnation of the practice(and those who keep it) and not acceptance or allowance for it.

2. They spent a year being purified as the definition of the word states. Part of that purification is cleansing, but no part of it was about beautification or outward adornment for the pleasing of man.

3. The Apostles fully preached the doctrine and traditions of Christ, if they did not say that we should do it then we should not. That people think to change or add to their traditions does not mean they are right in doing so. Scripture forbids keeping the customs and traditions of the heathen and ungodly clearly and with all certainty. Did the ungodly keep it as their own tradition or practice? Then the Godly do not, we have our own set of traditions, culture, and customs we are a nation separate from the nation of the world. We are a light among the darkness, though we dwell in a crooked and perverse nation we still show forth the customs given by the Lord and the Light of his true and perfect way.

4. They do though, it was the Pagans who came up with these practices. We are the temple of the holy spirit created in the image of God, did the ancient Hebrews paint the holy of Holies to suit their own aesthetic desires? We dishonor the Holy spirits temple in doing these things, we do not show forth the Love of God in these actions, we only give heed to the traditions of men that lead to perdition. We should not even have the Appearance of evil(1 Thess 5:22) but show the truth of God in every action and praise his handiwork in fashioning us in the manner he saw fit.

5. It gives no honor to the Lord to transgress his commands. If you love God you will keep his commandments. Again you cannot work iniquity thinking you are doing the Lord a service and expect a reward or praise from the Lord in the end. You cannot praise him with your lips but be in every work reprobate(1 John 2:3-6), the Lord will judge us by our deeds in the end according to his law(Romans 2:5-11,16).

6. It is a command of God that we should not wear Jewelry((1 Peter 3:3-6, 1 Timothy 2:9-10, 1 Timothy 3:11, Titus 2:1-5), that there is a multitude of people that practice and keep this tradition(and thereby sin) does not make it right. Remember straight and narrow is the way, and not many thereby will find it(Matt 7:13-14) but there will be many who sought the Lord by their own means but the Lord will cast them into the Lake of Fire(Matt 7:21-23) for even the righteous shall scarcely be saved( 1 Peter 4:18-19).

7. Yes, a strict code of dress for both mean and women. God has always shown us his way, we need only look to his word to find it.

8. As I pointed out Sister, there is no law on how we are to treat the rest of our body hair. Just the hair on our heads.

As this is not a place for argument I will stop the discussion here, but if you would like to discuss this further over private message or in different section of this site I would be happy to continue speaking with you.

May the Light and truth of the Lord be upon you.

Now i just have to decide what colour and style my hat or headcover for church will be.....i have seen some gorgeous ones online.....the bright pink one with gold edges looks lovely.....not expensive either. as my hair is not long i will be easy fitting it under a cover. cheers brother. enjoy your day

StephenDiscipleofYHWH · May 19, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
blessings to you. too. am not arguing but i dont understand why you say the dress code is strict?

the bible says cover your head and dont wear mak e up or jewelllery. that doesnt sound strict to me.... i will just do those 3 things then i wil be

just 3 clothing rules for us to keep. well am relieved about that. soem churches have dozens so am gload t se bible only mentions 3...the head covering is for church also. so will but a hat for church then am all set! thanks for reassuring me brother. i was worrying i would have to buy a whole new wardrobe!!!

When I say strict I mean that there is no wiggle room, it says what it means and that is it. I don't mean it as there are many but that the ones that we have cannot be changed altered or moved in any way.

I am happy that I could help Sister, I pray the Lord continues to lead you further down the Path of righteousness and helps to perfect you according to his will(1 Thess 3:6)

Junia · May 19, 2020

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
When I say strict I mean that there is no wiggle room, it says what it means and that is it. I don't mean it as there are many but that the ones that we have cannot be changed altered or moved in any way.

I am happy that I could help Sister, I pray the Lord continues to lead you further down the Path of righteousness and helps to perfect you according to his will(1 Thess 3:6)

Thank you, brother. bless you too

Brightmoon · May 19, 2020

Ooo so you think makeup is bad now . These animals wear makeup . The red color is powered red rock they’ve splashed on themselves -on purpose.Drab is not being godly, it’s just being drab ! Lammergeiers or bearded vultures. Remember that Nature aka God’s Creation will always tell you the truth

it is a sin to add to your natural appearance? really? where did God say so?

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