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You don't think God's Spirit works through human means? He just randomly zaps people? That to me seems an ahistorical understanding of the Holy Spirit.
For many that leave the Christian faith, emotional reasons, not intellectual ones, top the list.
Ironically, in one debate between Craig and Sam Harris, Harris said it best, it does no good to reason with someone who doesn't believe in reason. Which is a bit hypocritical because Harris was constantly rebuffing the rational arguments for God in favor of emotivist objections (the usual list, children dying of cancer, Hindus going to hell, prayers being unanswered... neglecting Craig's arguments for ontology altogether).
Points for what? And who would care, in the context of these forums?
I have no intention of putting down the beliefs of others, but there is no polite way of critically assessing personal beliefs.the point being are we trying to share what we believe to help others or are we trying to put the beliefs of others down.
I have no intention of putting down the beliefs of others, but there is no polite way of critically assessing personal beliefs.
Why not ? Maybe I misunderstand the definition of polite.
polite
adjective po·lite \pə-ˈlīt\
: having or showing good manners or respect for other people
: socially correct or proper
(Merriam-Webser)
I think what they meant is, that something so close and personal as your beliefs would be taken as an attack no matter how you went about it, which is a fair comment.
Ah ok. I think this may be the problem often. If people debate the subject and leave their emotional position aside it's easier to be polite. Of course this becomes more difficult when personal attacks are used.
I often find that the reason some of the atheists on here constantly question our faith to the point of personal attacks is because our very faith offends them. They are in enmity against God and thus they turn it on those who have faith in Him.
What personal attacks?
Personally, I feel that "mental illness" is more of an excuse than a personal attack.Such as alluding that Paul, a man of faith, is someone with mental illness.
Personally, I feel that "mental illness" is more of an excuse than a personal attack.
(But I haven´t seen the statement in context - which might change my view).
In any case I have problems understanding how you could possibly take it for a personal attack on you.
I was personally attacked in other ways
I know that this is your opinion and psychological interpretation. I was just wondering whether it is your premise/preconception or some kind of conclusion based on the observations.I was personally attacked in other ways, but that is not the point I'm raising. The point is that any person with faith in God will be personally attacked because those who oppose their faith are opposing God.
Most definitely it was the point you were raising:I was personally attacked in other ways, but that is not the point I'm raising.
(emphasis added)I often find that the reason some of the atheists on here constantly question our faith to the point of personal attacks is because our very faith offends them.
How? What was said about you personally? Which thread and post?
eudaimonia,
Mark
I know that this is your opinion and psychological interpretation. I was just wondering whether it is your premise/preconception or some kind of conclusion based on the observations.
In the latter case, I would like to learn how you manage to frame certain statements as personal attacks.
(Because, actually, it looks like you are making assumptions about the mindsets of other persons in your complaint about people making assumptions about the mindsets of other persons).
But maybe you feel that "people of faith" automatically deserve some special privileges or immunity?
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