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But however you resolve that dilemma, you recognize that both communions claim to be the one true church.
Well, that's the RCC's problem, isn't it, not any of the church bodies which recognize that Christ didn't give exclusive standing to any of the denominations that developed only years after he founded his church, not the RCC, EO, or any other.
Actually, given the fact that the RCC did not exist as a stand-alone denomination until after the Great Schism, it is absurd to imagine that it and it alone determined the canon of scripture. In actual fact, the RCC did not finalize its canon until the Council of Trent. One might conclude that prior to the Council Trent in the sixteenth century Sacred Tradition, which included various liturgical readings from various sources, was the basis of divine truth and not merely 73 books.
The reality today is that the RCC considers its form of Sacred Tradition to be the source of truth and not merely the 73 books of its canon of scripture. As a result, it has no difficulty in amplifying and adding to anything and everything within the 73 books.
The Bible is backed up by Sacred Tradition.Fine. You are allowed to believe anything you want. But your description of the meaning of Holy Tradition and the claim that it has Biblical backing are both in error. However, if you choose to believe what you wrote, such for instance because of a desire to be loyal to your church, that's not unusual.
Big difference in "first" & "only".The first born male has a very special role among the Jews. You are first born from the moment of birth, whether or not your parents ever have other children. Who teaches you otherwise?
None at the time, but later, however many more babies the mother has. Scripture names 4 of Jesus' siblings, while indicating he had at least 6 altogether.An only child is also a first born.
Numbers 3:40
And the Lord said to Moses, “Number all the first-born males of the people of Israel, from a month old and upward, taking their number by names.
How many other siblings do you believe a firstborn month old baby can have?
My brother in Christ, Jesus had no siblings.None at the time, but later, however many more babies the mother has. Scripture names 4 of Jesus' siblings, while indicating he had at least 6 altogether.
The word refers to the universality of the beliefs. It has nothing to do with the reach of the institution.The Catholic Church has never been a denomination, "Catholic" means universal.
Either He did, or this Scripture is wrong.My brother in Christ, Jesus had no siblings.
The word "firstborn" assumes siblings.Yes, I was just correcting the faulty assumption that if someone was first born that that person must have at least one sibling..
and their behavior and attitude towards Jesus as recorded in Scripture is consistent with them being older brothers to Jesus, so could not be children of Mary. Of Joseph, yes. Any child of Joseph is legally a brother or sister of Jesus. Jesus is also legally the son of Joseph yet is never described as Joseph's first born.None at the time, but later, however many more babies the mother has. Scripture names 4 of Jesus' siblings, while indicating he had at least 6 altogether.
The Bible didn't just appear one day, readings at mass differed from area to area and the Catholic Church set out to make sure only God-breathed readings were used at mass. Certainly the Catholic Church was guided by the Holy Spirit in the process. But Sacred Scripture had to be one hundred percent in keeping with Catholic Sacred Tradition as passed down from Jesus through the Apostles.If that's what you want to believe...and you insist that we must know that you believe it, consider it done.
Wouldn't that have been wonderful if it were actually true?But Sacred Scripture had to be one hundred percent in keeping with Catholic Sacred Tradition as passed down from Jesus through the Apostles.
What makes it false? Where is there a contradiction?
Certainly the Catholic Church was guided by the Holy Spirit in the process. But Sacred Scripture had to be one hundred percent in keeping with Catholic Sacred Tradition as passed down from Jesus through the Apostles.
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There is more than a little "gilding of the lily" in that passage. For one, there is no "Sacred Scripture had to be on hundred percent in keeping with Catholic Sacred Tradition..." That's just something a person who's proud of his denomination would like to claim as true.
When the Bible was canonized, that was not the determiner of whether the council included each book it finally did...or not. Almost all of the books that made it into the Bible were already accepted by the churches of the Christian world as being inspired and only a handful were questioned. That was before either of the two councils which canonized the Bible had met.
Also, the claim that "as passed down from Jesus through the Apostles" is just for show. None of the dogmas that have been declared by the RCC can be substantiated by reference to the historical record. Some of them don't even come close. But of course the allegation is made in order to have some apparent basis for these innovations.
AND Sacred Tradition is a term that does not refer to traditions in the church but, rather, to a theory that has no Biblical basis--i.e. that God set up a second stream of divine revelation to mankind, in addition to Scripture, by which an unbroken line of unofficial belief among the people of the church everywhere established doctrine, even if the Bible books did not.
precisely.But Sacred Scripture had to be one hundred percent in keeping with Catholic Sacred Tradition as passed down from Jesus through the Apostles
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