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Is there another possibility, besides a useful concept? For sanity?

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Hi there,

So it is fairly well established, that concepts are useful. The way we are designed, a concept can bring great clarity, or great confusion - depending on what it is, what we think it means, how we say it and so forth (initially, anyway _____). But I am just wondering if you can break the system, somehow _____ like if you can think a thought, that runs a circuit between a number of concepts, which is not necessarily theory, but is in some way, ultimately experiential (while remaining intellectual _____).

Meditation is like this, you wait, you think of nothing, then you begin to detach yourself, until eventually, you are enlightened (which is experiential, but not intellectual _____). It certainly helps. The thing is, it is not very intellectually stimulating, like scripture is _____ (let the reader take note _____ _____). So while good, it is not what is best. Having a certain conviction, about something seems to help this - because the meditation is no longer completely predictable, once you have experienced "an enlightenment" _____.

I guess, what I am asking, is, is there a way to be intellectually honest, internally, to certain concepts (that are greater than a mere conviction _____), that circumvent the nervous system in some way which is both intellectual and experiential, which is pure and not limited to particular perceptions, say. Actually, maybe perceptions are ok? I'm just not sure which. Or maybe I need to know what is higher than perception - possibly?

As you can see, it is difficult (for me, anyway _____) to think through. I have been meditating for years, with some sort of strategy like this in mind. In the early days, I got very spontaneous but unstable results, later I gradually got more stability, but less affection for the stability - I'm not sure where it is going to go from there. In principle, it should be possible to "birth" an awareness, that transcends God, in some way (I think ____ ____).

Whether or not that is a good thing, is sort of irrelevant _____ and inconsequential _____ _____ (I suppose _____).
 

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I remember someone talking about studying his own consciousness and I can understand the concept but it is difficult to predict one would learn from it beyond, 'I am.' I'm not saying it is a bad thing to do. I like moments of quiet introspection but it doesn't seem like there is much information.
 
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I am not God. Thats where I begin. Guess what? - such a relief. Let God be God.

I pray something like:

Lord Jesus, I am nothing apart from you, I am less than the least of all your mercies. But you willed that I should be and I thank you for it. Restore my soul.

Thats how I move towards stability.

I don't bother much about how humble or not I seem to be "feeling" when I pray. I'll have to confess any pride that is still there in my heart till the day I die.

Conscience can be examined in the light of scripture, guilt forgiven through the shed blood of Jesus Christ.

Its a matter of simply doing the next ordinary down-to-earth thing for me most of the time. Each has their own life and can decide for themselves.
 
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So is insanity a social construct, or a real phenomenon. Say I think I am "the chosen one" and ought to lead the world, who can prove this wrong? No one, excepting God?

Why is the question being asked?
 
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So is insanity a social construct, or a real phenomenon. Say I think I am "the chosen one" and ought to lead the world, who can prove this wrong? No one, excepting God?

I think your concept was very insightful, to begin with. It lead me to believe that madness is partially a construct that the king anticipates, and partially a social expression of that construct (further still). The point being, that we are born with our foot half within the mad pool.

I suppose.
 
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Further to this, I have concluded ____ that it may be that - functionally at rest - a mind does not need ____ ____ concepts, patterns, numbers ____ ____ ____ choices, decisions ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ or wisening.

In the context of this age, being ____ an absence of attempts at being anything related to God, or prompted by the suppositions of the meaning (of ____ ____ God).

In other words, ____ ____ ____.
 
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I was struggling a bit to understand just exactly what you were asking until I sorta meditated on it for a few seconds and an answer (not sure if it is "the" answer or not) popped into my head.

I guess I would say yes, and I would call it "being in the zone".

Speaking for myself, there are a few moments in my life where everything clicks-- my mind, body, heart, and soul all align for a brief moment and for that brief moment in a sense I become super human. Not super human like a comic book hero with the power of flight or shooting heat rays from my eyes-- but rather, super human in the sense that my ability has grown beyond what I could normally do.

Give you an example. Every so often in a basketball game, game of billiards, or even working on a physics problem, everything aligns internally and I know with 100% certainty that I will make the basket, sink the 8-ball, or solve the physics problem. For that brief moment of time, I'm bullet proof. There isn't a shot I will miss, there isn't a billiard ball I can't pocket, there isn't a physics problem I can't solve. The feeling is best described as hyperawareness meets perfect internal harmony. My actions go beyond the normal if => then => else logic loop. My actions "just are".

I think almost all athletes or anyone who has ever pushed themselves to their absolute limit have had these moments.

Thinking about it now, I sorta feel that human beings were built with a governor-- a biological type device that limits our abilities. And I think that when we really push ourselves, for a fleeting moment in time we can override that governor and reach our true potential, albeit for a brief instant.

Maybe it is possible to override that governor from both directions:
A) Intensely pushing ourselves to our limits
B) Meditation and internally quieting ourselves to absolute mental zero

thoughts?
 
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