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Originally posted by seesaw
Yeah it's a theory but there is proof of it.
Yes I know there is no scientific evidence and there won't be.
No. There is evidence, not proof.
Oh, there will be proof, it just will be useless to science.
Originally posted by stray bullet
Proofs huh?
Alright...
Originally posted by seesaw
He could have but in the bible it says nothing about a big bang or anything like it and creationist believe it was really happened in 7 days.
Originally posted by seesaw
BTW there is almost proof that the big bang happened, and evidence of evolution, there is no evidence of creation or god.
Originally posted by stray bullet
Evolution is change over time.
We won't.
The Big Bang is a theory, not a law.
There's no scientific proof. Because God can't be weighed, measured or compared.
Originally posted by lucaspa
Since when did you agree that the Bible is a scientific document? Genesis starts "In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth" Well, Big Bang definitely is a "beginning" and a "creation", isn't it?
We are not talking about creationists. We are talking about your claim that God didn't create. The literalist interpretation of Genesis 1 held by creationists is a how of creation. Everything science finds is also a how of creation. You are trying to claim that a deity did not create at all. To do that you have to show that deity did not create by the mechanisms and timing found by science.
I don't know of any scientific papers that do this. Do you? If so, please cite them.
Originally posted by lucaspa
This is your claim about the existence of deity and creation. Evidence of creation depends on the how of creation you hypothesize. Again, if you hypothesize creation by the mechanisms discovered by science, you have more than ample evidence of creation and of the existence of deity.
Creationism and creation are not the same thing.
And many people have personal experiences that is evidence that convinces them that deity exists.
Some scientists already are questioning the validity of the B.B.T.
by the way Stephen Hawkin's not God either
Atoms and molecules wandering aimlessly around by complete accident knowing nothing about themselves does not one day make a human being that questions it'self and the universe.
I have been reading this stuff for 20 years and studied a lot of the details but I still remain unconvinced with it all.
Originally posted by webboffin
laughing at seesaw
Originally posted by Orihalcon
and just imagine, a few galaxies away, there's a race of aliens chatting away saying 'isn't it just sooo amazingly convenient that our planet is at JUST the right distance from the sun, with JUST the right amount of photosynthetic prokaryotes to maintain the temperature at 186 K and the ammonia in the atmosphere at 31%? isn't it just TOO convenient?'
Originally posted by webboffin
seesaw, the big bang is not proven - were you there when it happened???
it is an idea some of it based on infra-red background radiation and cosmic expansion but now even your glorious big bang THEORY is by some scientists not all as it plainly seems. There is suggestions that some of the laws of physics over billions of years have change slightly and not as constant as what scientists had since forever believed.
The men in white cloaks wearing wide collars and wacky beards looking through big hollow tubes into the sky or whatever does not mean that they hold for definate any SOLID PROOF. It is still only a THEORY! (remember it is called the Big Bang THEORY) NOT an absolute given fact. Some scientists already are questioning the validity of the B.B.T.
I have been reading this stuff for 20 years and studied a lot of the details but I still remain unconvinced with it all.
Atoms and molecules wandering aimlessly around by complete accident knowing nothing about themselves does not one day make a human being that questions it'self and the universe. But I am not going to waste much time on the matter now as I have other threads I want to read.
by the way Stephen Hawkin's not God either
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