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Is there a difference between you or God choosing to cause repentance?

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Jesus stated this...


No one has the ability to come to Him without being drawn by the Spirit.



Any teaching that states people can come to God without being drawn, is heretical to the very core.


Now, in regards to repentance, is not repentance itself a gift of God? The bible states it is.



The Young's Literal Translation...YLT...uses reform instead of repent, and reformation instead of repentance. But even the ability to repent/reform is a gift, a work of God....


I'll leave you with one more verse...

John 6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, `This is the work of God, that ye may believe in him whom He did send.'
 
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The unregenerate have the notion of "we will not have this man over us"(Luke 19:14). They...the unregenerate, have no desire to come to Him, seeing they don't truly think a "God of love" would ever turn them into the flames. They donate money, time, visit people, much like the Ellen's, Oprah's, and other celebs. They're relying upon themselves, and they are fallen, sinful creatures. God must overcome these obstacles in their lives first. He does this by regeneration...regenerating His lost sheep. They then have new eyes to see how ruined they are. They have a new heart that yearns for Him. They have new ears to hear with.
 
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Convicted1 and all who have replied so far to help me. I found this passage and it is clearly reflects my situation and the people that are trying to help.

"Galatians 6:1 - Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted."
 
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We all would do just that. We who would encourage you in what is right are conscience of the infirmity of the human flesh, and the inability in ourselves. All the sincere followers of God would seek to help with an understanding of their own need before the LORD. It is not in a haughty manner of telling others what to do, but a realization of where each of us stand before the Holy God.
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The question is now how does one know that he is responding to the Spirit to go to heaven and not that of himself?

If Jesus died once which he did and His blood is for us to use once to cover all sins, then what blood is left for the man who continues to sin willingly?

And when that man has become so distraught and hopeless feeling and tries to redo his coming to Christ I do fear that man might be the one at the wedding with the wrong clothes.
 
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Do you think Jesus would erect a roadblock after a certain number of sins in the man's life and say, "Whoa! Sorry. That's just too much sin for Me to cover with My blood!"

Sorry, Jay, that's ridiculous.
Jonah 3, NASB
1 Now the word of the LORD came to Jonah the second time ...
Might as well have said "the 498th time ... " God's response to repentance is always the same.
 
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Thank You.

You all have helped me a lot.
 
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"Believers Should Beware of Giving Up Their Faith In Jesus Christ.
For if they do, their chances of obtaining repentance a second time are very, very small. (Hebrews 6: 4-6, Hebrews 12: 17, Revelation 16: 8-11)"

This is what position I am in and its the most horrific one to be in.
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61. And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house.

62. And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
 
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All sins have been covered by Christ's shed blood...past, present, AND future. If someone lives another 20 years from now, their future sins are already covered. Yet, that doesn't negate our responsibilty to repent of our sins we commit.
 
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All sins have been covered by Christ's shed blood...past, present, AND future. If someone lives another 20 years from now, their future sins are already covered. Yet, that doesn't negate our responsibilty to repent of our sins we commit.

Actually....when you walk in the light as Christ is in the the Light you have fellowship one with another (God and saints in Christ) and the blood of Jesus cleanses from all sin. 1 John 1:7

When you walk in darkness (willful sinning/sin of planning) and practice sin..not just stumble in it...then you have NO sacrifice for your sins. You are an enemy of God at that point. Each one must work out his own salvation...profusely!

Jayblue has found himself in a dire situation. Whether his relationship with God is forfeited or not is not for me or anyone to say. His own mouth will condemn him. Repent or perish. Only God knows when one's faith and conscience no longer has the fortitude and faith to continue...then they will begin to speak their heart....doubt...loss....regret...all things except faith in Christ and his blood. At that point...for that person...it's dire.
 
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When you walk in darkness (willful sinning/sin of planning) and practice sin..not just stumble in it...then you have NO sacrifice for your sins. You are an enemy of God at that point.
Mind telling where you find this nonsense in the Bible, please? A hint: Don't quote anything from 1 John, Hebrews 6 or any other passage typically cited (and totally misunderstood) by those who believe as you apparently do. It will simply prove you don't understand those passages.
Each one must work out his own salvation...profusely!
Do you actually know what Paul meant when he wrote those words, or are you just mimicking what you've been told?
Jayblue has found himself in a dire situation. Whether his relationship with God is forfeited or not is not for me or anyone to say.
Actually, I can say. If his confession of Christ as Savior and Lord was true and acceptable to God, he forfeits nothing when he sins, other than his dignity as a Christian and the full realization of the power that is his in Christ.
His own mouth will condemn him. Repent or perish.
Wait a minute. Didn't you just say it is "not for me or anyone else to say"? But yet, you said.
Only God knows when one's faith and conscience no longer has the fortitude and faith to continue ...
Perhaps you can explain how something you had nothing to do with acquiring is now only in your possession to keep or reject?
then they will begin to speak their heart....doubt...loss....regret...all things except faith in Christ and his blood. At that point...for that person...it's dire.
The only thing "dire" around here is people who think salvation is theirs to acquire or lose. You had nothing to do with "getting saved," and you can't do anything to "get unsaved." Otherwise, Christ is a terribly weak Savior.

By the way: He's not!
 
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You really need to learn to employ better discernment whilst you study...
 
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This sounds like maybe its a confusion sown by people i see all over this website. They seem to suggest that its sinful to use our own effort to obey God, but the truth is much simpler, we either obey Him or not, there is no in between. However much can be said about our motivation. If we obey in order to please men and to gain their praise then this is wrong, our motivation should be to please God.

I'm not a baptist, so if anyone disagrees then please accept my apologies, im not a teacher.
 
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