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Following. No time to reply substantively now.Is the use of the word all in each verse of Romans 3 relative or absolute?
I did answer in the other thread. This one is addressed to JWs.Following. No time to reply substantively now.
Is the use of the word all in each verse of Romans 3 relative or absolute?
So, you're saying they leave out Mark 11:26 >
"'But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses.'" (Mark 11:26)
We have other scriptures which say God wants us to forgive. So, even if they leave out this verse, still someone can find scriptures which say God wants us to forgive. Plus, we have the example of Jesus who prayed >
"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do." (in Luke 23:34)
Jesus on the cross is our example > Ephesians 5:2.
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Romans 16:24 >
"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen." (Romans 16:24)
This does not say God's grace be with us, but the grace of Jesus be with us. Grace is God's; so if grace can be of Jesus, this can support that Jesus is God . . . as the Son. So, this can be a verse which supports Jesus being divine, which Jehovah's Witnesses deny.
So, leaving this out might somewhat help to keep people from seeing that Jesus is divine.
But on the whole I do not see how these omitted scriptures serve some doctrinal agenda of Jehovah's Witnesses. Each verse is significant, though, since each is God's word.
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I just posted a response in the other thread. I am dealing with the virus again.Hey Daniel, what happened to your thread: "If these verses were missing would that matter doctrine wise?" with this content? It appears to have been deleted for some reason.
Lightbearer reply: > "This is what the NWT states for Mark 11:26:
Mark 11:26
Some ancient manuscripts here read: “But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father who is in the heavens forgive your trespasses.” These words do not appear in the earliest and most reliable manuscripts and are evidently not part of the original text of Mark. Similar words, though, can be found at Mt 6:15 as part of the inspired Scriptures.—See App. A3.
Regards."
Lghtbearer reply: > "This is what the NWT states about Romans 16:24:
Romans 16:24
Some Greek manuscripts and ancient translations into other languages add: “May the undeserved kindness of our Lord Jesus Christ be with all of you. Amen.” Other manuscripts include these words after verse 27. However, in the earliest and most reliable manuscripts, a similar phrase appears only in verse 20. It does not appear as verse 24, nor is it found after verse 27. This manuscript evidence strongly indicates that such additions are not part of the original text.—See App. A3.
Note the statement "However, in the earliest and most reliable manuscripts, a similar phrase appears only in verse 20.".
As it does the NWT.
NWT Romans 16:20 "For his part, the God who gives peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly. May the undeserved kindness of our Lord Jesus be with you.
Indeed, no doctrinal agenda whatsoever.
PS. Just to correct an erroneous remark:
com7fy8> "leaving this out might somewhat help to keep people from seeing that Jesus is divine."
Jehovah's Witnesses do believe that Jesus is divine. We didn't leave it out.
Regards."
I would appreciate an explanation.
Thanks.
I just posted a response in the other thread. I am dealing with the virus again.
If these verses were missing would that matter doctrine wise?
You are welcome friend,
Daniel
Sorry to hear that.
I hope you and yours are well soon.
LB.
I mean that if a verse says for us to have grace of Jesus, I can look at this and think, hmm if Jesus can give us grace which comes from God, this can fit with Jesus being God.NWT Romans 16:20 "For his part, the God who gives peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly. May the undeserved kindness of our Lord Jesus be with you.
Indeed, no doctrinal agenda whatsoever.
PS. Just to correct an erroneous remark:
com7fy8> "leaving this out might somewhat help to keep people from seeing that Jesus is divine."
Jehovah's Witnesses do believe that Jesus is divine. We didn't leave it out.
Regards."
I would appreciate an explanation.
Thanks.
I mean that if a verse says for us to have grace of Jesus, I can look at this and think, hmm if Jesus can give us grace which comes from God, this can fit with Jesus being God.
So, if this verse is not included, this could help certain ones not to have this verse to help them think Jesus is God.
But I do not mean it is left out intentionally in order to influence people's doctrine about the divinity of Jesus.
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