Is the rapture a lie?

Jesus' Girl said:

I see it a lot being written and been told it. I want to know why people believe it is false.

I consider it my only hope each day. ....

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I read about the second coming of Christ when the righteous will be resurrected and the wicked will perish. The Gospels do not mention a rapture. I hope for a new heaven and earth as Peter wrote about in his second letter. I also know that if I give a cup of water to disciple of Christ in God's name, I will not lose my reward (Matthew 10:42). There are rewards in this life for righteousness is motivation to seek God.

There was a Greek Orthodox monk who used to write in Christian Forums. He wrote the Greek Orthodox Church does not use Revelation in their liturgy (church service). I found information online to confirm the Book of Revelation is not read in the Greek Orthodox Church. I used other books of the Bible and do not need to rely on Revelation for my hope.

The rapture will always be a lie....

.... Until it happens!

rockytopva said:

The rapture will always be a lie....

.... Until it happens!

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*** The flood was a lie and the ark was foolishness.... Until the day Noah entered the Ark
*** Sodom destroyed was a lie and Lot was foolish... Until it rained fire and brimstone

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. - Matthew 24

26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot's wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. - Luke 17

So the rapture will be a lie and we foolish... Until it happens!

Jesus' Girl said:

I see it a lot being written and been told it. I want to know why people believe it is false.

I consider it my only hope each day. ....

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Well every scripture that I have seen that people use to support "rapture" was actually about the second coming. I dont believe in the rapture. The famous "catching away" is literally at the second coming not before. This should be called the second coming or at the second coming...
And, Jesus only comes twice, not three times.
Second, there are too many scriptures saying and supporting that we will go through tribulation. In fact we should expect to be persecuted and to be hated. I also think people mix up what is tribulation and what is God's judgement. In revelation, we see a similar senerio that we see in exodus.
(The Jews went through some of the plagues but after a certain point they were protected from the plagues. )
EDIT (Correction), the Jews were protected from the plagues as it states to a certain point in the list of plagues upon Egypt but that did not mean the Jews did not endure hardship before during and/or after the plagues. Remember the point of the plagues are to encourage the people to repent or to encourage those who are turned away from God to turn towards him. Even the Jews had to smear lambs blood to avoid the last plague of Egypt or they would be experiencing directly, that plague themselves too.

I believe the same about revelation. I also find it harmful to teach that we will be "raptured away" before tribulation.
Third the rapture theology was started by John Darby in 1830 AD and before hand it was foreign to the Christian world.

Jesus' Girl said:

I see it a lot being written and been told it. I want to know why people believe it is false.

I consider it my only hope each day. ....

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Anything not repeated by multiple authors, God does not consider important.
-My view on scripture-

rockytopva said:

*** The flood was a lie and the ark was foolishness.... Until the day Noah entered the Ark
*** Sodom destroyed was a lie and Lot was foolish... Until it rained fire and brimstone

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. - Matthew 24

26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot's wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. - Luke 17

So the rapture will be a lie and we foolish... Until it happens!

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Three events given in these scriptures...

1. Noah and the flood
2. Lot and the destruction of Sodom
3. The Christian and the rapture

Similarities...

1. Lot, Noah, and the Christian (speaking in past tense) were mocked for prophesying these things
2. Sodom, Noah's world, and ours, received no warning. These events happened in plain ordinary times.
3. The destruction (flood, fire, tribulation) happened after they were transported out of their world.

The rapture happens before tribulation. Otherwise it is announced, and not as a thief, or a surprise, in every day times.

Jesus' Girl said:

I see it a lot being written and been told it. I want to know why people believe it is false.

I consider it my only hope each day. ....

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Put your hope in the Most High God, not a possibility. He Is.

As for the rapture, the Most High God has never actually removed His people from calamities. Rather, He pushes His people through them, with protection.

The Fall
Hybrids
Flood
Hybrid remnants/war for their land
Egypt and the Exodus

The Most High God's Son, and His Son's followers
The entire AD years


The tribulation is something we are told His people will have to go through. It is a refinement period, and there will always be a remnant and witnesses when God does this thing. That is just the general reason.



A main reason why many people believe the rapture is false is because it is [fairly] new doctrine. It is not found in the bible; Harpanzo is not about being taken away during the tribulation; it is a consequence of resurrection. This is why Paul says the dead will rise first - because they are dead, so they ar first in line to resurrect. It is appointed to man to DIE once, then JUDGMENT.

To sum up, Christ never explained in detail, or brought up rapturing the Church. On the contrary, He tells us many will be killed or die. The rapture is a deception to get believers to lose their faith when it doesn't happen, and/or to get the believer to feel an immense gravity of guilt about one's own salvation (because, they missed an event that "never happened.") Don't be deceived; hope ONLY in God.

The rapture was invented by John Nelson Darby in the 1800's. The Bible speaks of only 1 return of Christ: to bring BOTH salvation and judgement.

rockytopva said:

*** The flood was a lie and the ark was foolishness.... Until the day Noah entered the Ark
*** Sodom destroyed was a lie and Lot was foolish... Until it rained fire and brimstone

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. - Matthew 24

26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot's wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. - Luke 17

So the rapture will be a lie and we foolish... Until it happens!

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The difference between believers who reject the Rapture, and Sodomites or antediluvian people, is that the former understand there will be a judgement.

Sodomites and antediluvian people categorically mocked the notion of judgment from God, especially in the form of destruction of the world.

Noah had to witness the end of the world; he wasn't taken away. He drank, because he saw the end of the world. The Hebrews had to witness the destruction of Egypt, the judgments of God on a stubborn people, and the eventual promised land. They went through it, and were given the promised land.

The parallels are profoundly connected, but so is what is missing from them - the Most High God literally taking us away from tribulation while everyone else goes through it. He won't do this.


But, He isn't angry at His people, so when He judges He will also provide protection until each of our appointed times. It is appointed to man to die ONCE, then judgement. There is ONE judgment, and those who don't resurrect the first time will be reserved for judgment.

Blessed are the first-fruits of resurrection, because they do not have to see the Judgment. If you are found worthy to resurrect at the advent of Messiah, then you know you don't have to go through Judgment (but those who do will still be judged according to their works.)


There will also be people who survive this tribulation - up until the time of Christ's return. That should be more curious than the rapture, which isn't guaranteed.

rockytopva said:

Three events given in these scriptures...

1. Noah and the flood
2. Lot and the destruction of Sodom
3. The Christian and the rapture

Similarities...

1. Lot, Noah, and the Christian (speaking in past tense) were mocked for prophesying these things
2. Sodom, Noah's world, and ours, received no warning. These events happened in plain ordinary times.
3. The destruction (flood, fire, tribulation) happened after they were transported out of their world.

The rapture happens before tribulation. Otherwise it is announced, and not as a thief, or a surprise, in every day times.

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Your descriptions from Matthew 24 and Luke 17 may refer to the second coming of Christ and the day of judgement, not of a rapture preceding the second coming of Christ and the judgement.

Eusebius of Caesarea served as an adviser to the Roman emperor Constantine. Before being crowned emperor, Constantine was opposed in battle. A large army opposed him at the Milvan Bridge in Italy. He instructed his soldiers to put the sign of the cross on their shields. He defeated the opposing army, gained control of the Roman Empire, then legalized Christianity. Eusebius wrote about it in his Ecclesiastical History. It is a history of the church from the time of Christ until about 325 AD. Using written sources that are no longer in print, Eusebius also wrote about numerous objections to Revelation including arguments from those who believed it was not written by the apostle John, but that it is a forgery.

mark kennedy said:

Well of course that's true, technically those who are alive aren't going to die a natural death so their not really resurrected in that sense.

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed” (1 Cor. 15:51-52)
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Sometimes it's referred to as the 'translation'.

Grace and peace,
Mark

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John 3:1-13

rockytopva said:

*** The flood was a lie and the ark was foolishness.... Until the day Noah entered the Ark ...
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away[emphases mine];

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You're equating the Rapture believers with the evil people God destroyed in the Flood. Those evil people were "raptured" by drowning. Good job.

dqhall said:

Your descriptions from Matthew 24 and Luke 17 may refer to the second coming of Christ and the day of judgement, not of a rapture preceding the second coming of Christ and the judgement.

Eusebius of Caesarea served as an adviser to the Roman emperor Constantine. Before being crowned emperor, Constantine was opposed in battle. A large army opposed him at the Milvan Bridge in Italy. He instructed his soldiers to put the sign of the cross on their shields. He defeated the opposing army, gained control of the Roman Empire, then legalized Christianity. Eusebius wrote about it in his Ecclesiastical History. It is a history of the church from the time of Christ until about 325 AD. Using written sources that are no longer in print, Eusebius also wrote about numerous objections to Revelation including arguments from those who believed it was not written by the apostle John, but that it is a forgery.

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To re-emphasize the point.... Over and over and over and over! If this were not in plain every day times, likened unto Lot and Noah, there would be no need for it!

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. - Matthew 24

32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch. - Mark 13

Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. - Luke 12:40

Kaon said:

Put your hope in the Most High God, not a possibility. He Is.

As for the rapture, the Most High God has never actually removed His people from calamities. Rather, He pushes His people through them, with protection.

The Fall
Hybrids
Flood
Hybrid remnants/war for their land
Egypt and the Exodus

The Most High God's Son, and His Son's followers
The entire AD years


The tribulation is something we are told His people will have to go through. It is a refinement period, and there will always be a remnant and witnesses when God does this thing. That is just the general reason.



A main reason why many people believe the rapture is false is because it is [fairly] new doctrine. It is not found in the bible; Harpanzo is not about being taken away during the tribulation; it is a consequence of resurrection. This is why Paul says the dead will rise first - because they are dead, so they ar first in line to resurrect. It is appointed to man to DIE once, then JUDGMENT.

To sum up, Christ never explained in detail, or brought up rapturing the Church. On the contrary, He tells us many will be killed or die. The rapture is a deception to get believers to lose their faith when it doesn't happen, and/or to get the believer to feel an immense gravity of guilt about one's own salvation (because, they missed an event that "never happened.") Don't be deceived; hope ONLY in God.

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This is the very thing that Jesus meant when He said do not be deceived-- IF you read what Jesus says about it you will know that HE is the One who performs the harpazo/rapture
telling people it won't happen that can cause people to give up hope will be brought to your attention by Jesus at the Judgment Seat of Messiah , some people just don't get it it - Jesus is the One who brings the Great Trib upon people and people who put their trust in Jesus will NOT go through THAT hour of trial that will come upon people who refuse to repent

And yet again!

Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. - Revelation 16:15

Rubiks said:

The rapture was invented by John Nelson Darby in the 1800's. The Bible speaks of only 1 return of Christ: to bring BOTH salvation and judgement.

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Harpazo is the original Greek word in scripture which was translated into Latin as raperium , rapiemur . rapio and then translated into English as rapture by the Protestants , they all mean the same thing referring to the sudden unexpected snatching away, catching away ,caught away suddenly by force and taken to another location
St. Jerome translated the Geek verb harpazo that Paul uses in 1 Thess 4:17 into the latin verb rapiemur back in about the year 400 and later on that latin verb was translated into the English as “caught up” or “caught away”
1 Thess 4:17 ” Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.”
In verse 18 we are to take comfort with the words he is teaching

Book of Acts 8:34-40
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing
The story of Phillip baptism of the eunuch , read all verses 34-40 and notice that the words “caught away” in verse 39 are in the Greek writing of Acts 8:39 is Harpazo – identically exactly the very same word used in Thessalonians where Paul speaks of the rapture of the whole church.
in a split second as they come up out of the water Phillip is raptured -caught away -harpazo and taken to a city 30 miles away in a mere split second of time., God snatched Phillip and placed him in a city 30 miles away .

Strong’s Concordance
harpazó: to seize, catch up, snatch away
Original Word: ἁρπάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: harpazó
Phonetic Spelling: (har-pad’-zo)
Definition: I seize, snatch

HELPS Word-studies
726 harpázō – properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively – like someone seizing bounty (spoil, a prize);

It is the action the Lord uses to take people from one place to put them in another place - In 1Thess 4 it is to be place of Jesus presence for eternity

From my understanding Rapture is a modern concept. The early Christians we’re awaiting Christs return and not to be whisked away from the world and it’s troubles.

Rubiks said:

The rapture was invented by John Nelson Darby in the 1800's. The Bible speaks of only 1 return of Christ: to bring BOTH salvation and judgement.

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False and fictitious -

Cement said:

From my understanding Rapture is a modern concept. The early Christians we’re awaiting Christs return and not to be whisked away from the world and it’s troubles.

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That cannot be as Paul taught in the Bible and Jesus talked of it
you have fallen for the deception of men's false teachings

seventysevens said:

That cannot be as Paul taught in the Bible and Jesus talked of it
you have fallen for the deception of men's false teachings

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What are you talking about? Paul never mentioned that all people at the end times will be raptured. Furthermore if I am fallen for mans deception please state which deception it is. I’m just saying that there is a certain segment of Christians who believe that they will be raptured before tribulation even begins. Unlike the early church which endured great troubles these people believe they won’t suffer any persecution.