Is the Church raptured? OR do we FLEE to a place of safety!? Find out!

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Ask these following questions to the Full Preterist...

Is your goal to establish a one to one personal relationship with Jesus Christ?

If so, how are you going about doing that (ask them to elaborate)?

Is religion to you about finding who the Lord is personally or is it solely to follow his teachings, without needing to personally know him?
 
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An adherent of the dualistic religious system of Manes, a combination of Gnostic Christianity, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, and various other elements, with a basic doctrine of a conflict between light and dark, matter being regarded as dark and evil. adjective. 2. of or relating to the Manicheans or their doctrines.

This pagan religion regarded matter as inherently evil and from this very basis Full Preterists have derived their philosophy of being dead to the material world.

If you want to go in real detail of the heresies of Full Preterism, here is the link.....

http://www.preteristarchive.com/CriticalArticles/north-gary_ca_02.html

and here is a sample excerpt.......


Do not get swept up in the Full Preterist deception. These liberal thinkers are there to take away your crowns and to deny you from establishing a one to one relationship with the risen Lord. Full Peterisim is based on Manichean Jesus. Please read the article and understand the implications of embracing such Preterist foley.
 
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I have believed and accepted Jesus as long as I can remember. I don't have a 'goal' I just accept and believe in Jesus Christ. How do I do that? I just accept and believe Jesus Christ.

I probably do the same thing as you do, but understand the verses of the bible differently.
If Jesus has questions for either of us I am sure He will ask us when it is our turn at the judgment seat, 2 COR 5:10, after our death, Hebrews 9:27.

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Good, continue in Jesus and to establish a personal relationship with him, as if he is more real than the relationship you have with those you love around you.

Matthew 10:37
"Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
 
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Here is another Preterist who claims that Jesus reverted to becoming a spirit, after ascending up into heaven.
No Jesus became a spirit as His earth body died. As His earth body died God granted that He could be seen by certain people so they could be witnesses to His resurrection form the dead. The NASB follows the early manuscripts very closely as it renders the verse Acts 409, as this:

40 God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible,
Jesus became spirit as 1 COR 15:45 tells you.

45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

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You didn't really answer my question directly, but that's ok.

Please answer this question. ..

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is God?
 
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Good, continue in Jesus and to establish a personal relationship with him, as if he is more real than the relationship you have with those you love around you.

I explained some full preterist beliefs to you as I see them. You say there are others, I would be interested in seeing some of these as there was things in the last list that are biblically correct as the full preterist sees them.
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You didn't really answer my question directly, but that's ok.

Please answer this question. ..

Do you believe that the Jesus Christ is God?
Let me provide the bible references again.

Jesus became spirit. That is written by Paul in 1 COR 15:45
45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

That is the only possible understanding because 1 COR 15 also says this:
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

Phil 3:21 tells us that we will have a body as Jesus has.... therefore the reverse is true...
21 who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself.

As Jesus died He became spirit. That is obvious because God had to make Him VISIBLE so the witnesses could see Him: Acts 10

40 God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible,
Jesus became flesh to live among man, but returned to spirit again as He was in heaven for the other x billion years He has been there.

Somewhere someone asked me if I feel there is one God. Yes I do. I hold to a trinity of sorts but can not explain it worth a hoot. I feel the Jesus that became flesh is God, I believe the Jesus that created all things was God but we, man, was designed from OUR image. So as I said I can't explain it well at all.

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Ah, eschatology...always an entertaining subject. Like watching a car wreck in slow motion.
Preterism is Covenant Eschatology. Our God is a God of Covenants.
Preterism is not something that can be taught to others. .
A Preterist view is something that a person holds after they personally study the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. That is why many Bible Scholars in the past have held the Preterist view, and why many Scholars hold that view today.
A Preterist takes everything written from Genesis to Revelation as one continuous story about the redemption of mankind. A correct understanding of the New Covenant Scripture depends on a correct understanding of the Old Covenant Scripture.
I was a Preterist before I had ever heard the word Preterist.
Preterists assemble in congregations of the Lords people with others who are not Preterists.
Preterists are believers who honor all Scripture and are honest in their interpretation of all Scripture.
A Preterist is one who does not alter their interpretation of Scripture to fit preconceived opinions, but alters their opinion to fit Scripture.
 
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i am a full preterist.

does any see the connection between these verses:

isaiah 9:7
daniel 2:44
isaiah 65:20
isaiah 65:23
isaiah 66:22
isaiah 60:5 / isaiah 60:11 / revelation 21:24-25 (please been keen on the first line of vs. 24 as it obviously refers to 22:2)/ revelation 22:2
ephesians 3:21
 
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I do.....

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maybe i could've have tucked galatians 4:26, hebrews 11:10,16; 12:22 in amongst those passages in isaiah and revelation too
As you broaden your reading of verses it becomes obvious that full preterism follows every verse in the bible. I have never found anything that fits better.

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I find it interesting that you have picked up on the words "the last trump" and yet seem to not realize that the passages which are claimed to teach a "rapture of the Church" are in fact speaking of the resurrection at the end of time.

The Resurrection and Rapture are the same event.

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17


Case Closed.


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Well Genesis 2:27-31 says man was created in God's image. From my understanding, there were two creations of man. One was created in God's image. As far as the Trinity is concerned, we can see that The spirit of God went out before the Israelites as they entered into the land of Canaan, Exodus 13:21, and then at other times Psalms 68:7, Acts 5:4 , 1 Chronicles 21:14. That could be deemed as the Holy Spirit because as we know the Holy Spirit is there to convict us as we sin. Then Numbers 22:30-31 he made an Donkey talk and etc... Then we have Genesis 32:28 when God became man (The Son) And Matthew 1:23, 2 Peter 1:1. Then the Father, Matthew 3:16-17 , John 14:8-11, Isaiah 63:16
 
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The Resurrection and Rapture are the same event.

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17


Case Closed.


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I love this topic and have read thousands of views. Yours is one of the common ones, however at the end of the tribulation there will be few humans left. The water will be poison, the land scorched (and possibly radioactive) the ground will be littered with asteroids/meteors and the air will be thick with smoke.

1.There is no way we could "take comfort" in the thought of His return in those conditions
2. There is no way we could be caught off guard because we will know exactly when it will be from he Daniels prophecy.
3. At the end of the trib, it won't be business as usual like in Noah's day like Jesus said.

So....It looks as if it is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to correctly time the event. Might be several raptures, who knows. The key to much of this is found in the letters to the 7 churches. Spend more time on those and the subject will become a little bit clearer.
 
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The Resurrection and Rapture are the same event.

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17


Case Closed.


JLB


They are two different events. That verses only speaks of those who are already alive (no resurrection needed for them) and are raptured.
 
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They are two different events. That verses only speaks of those who are already alive (no resurrection needed for them) and are raptured.


The Resurrection and Rapture are one event and occur at His coming.

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them...

caught up together with them...

together with them...

The raptured ones are caught up together with the resurrected ones who were caught up first.

The Resurrection is a moment just before the Rapture, whereby
all of those who are Christ are gathered together by Him, being caught together in the clouds, and FOREVER BEING WITH HIM.


Irrefutable.


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I see, you are one of those who just ignore what the scriptures says, in favor of just making up whatever you decide to believe.

The raptured ones are caught up together with the resurrected ones who were caught up first.

The Resurrection is a moment just before the Rapture, whereby all of those who are Christ are gathered together by Him, being caught together in the clouds, and FOREVER BEING WITH HIM.


The comfort is being forever with Him, not in some "circumstances" or "conditions".

ALL will be made alive at His Coming.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:20-23


The resurrection comes just before the rapture.

All who are His will be resurrected first, the we who are alive and remain will BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM.



Case Closed!



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yabber yabber yabber....

the letters to thessalonians was addressing the jewish persecutions of the church at thessalonica ... its all there in acts of the apostles 17

the spirit lawlessness was already at work and the restrainer was actively restraining when paul wrote these letters ...

acts of the apostles 17 = 1 thessalonians 2:14-16 = 2 thessalonians 1:4-9 wash rinse repeat

full preterism ftw!!!!!
 
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