Is it possible to negotiate with Iran?

illudium_phosdex · Aug 3, 2006

1 John 4:1-3
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Pretty much sums up Islam.

romanov · Aug 3, 2006

Poke said:
But, it's Israel that sits at Satan's right hand.

But yet you speak of hanging the mentally ill as mercy killing.

romanov · Aug 3, 2006

Driver said:
The reinterpretation of the Bible, based on Scofield's notes, led Dispensationalists to their seeing "prophecies fulfilled" in the Zionist movement and the establishment of the State of Israel. Some begain to politicize their theology and actively encouraged Jews to settle in Palestine. The Palestinians viewed their political stances as becaming more and more biased towards the Israelis, to the detriment of the Palestinians.

Interesting you choose to ignore the last half of that post you quoted.

Bulldog · Aug 3, 2006

atlasshrugged said:
1 John 4:1-3
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Pretty much sums up Islam.

Well, it was originnaly written about gnosticism (an early heresy) but seems to apply to any nonchristian system.

applepowerpc · Aug 3, 2006

1 John 4:1-3
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Pretty much sums up Islam.

Actually, Islam DOES acknowledge that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

Poke · Aug 3, 2006

atlasshrugged said:
1 John 4:1-3
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Pretty much sums up Islam.

That pretty much sums of Judaism. The Jewish Bible, the Talmud, even goes a step further and teaches that Jesus is spending eternity in boiling feces.

Judaism denies that Jesus is of God. Islam teaches that Jesus is of God, a prophet of God.

romanov · Aug 3, 2006

Poke said:
That pretty much sums of Judaism. The Jewish Bible, the Talmud, even goes a step further and teaches that Jesus is spending eternity in boiling feces.

Judaism denies that Jesus is of God. Islam teaches that Jesus is of God, a prophet of God.

Considering the OT is Judaisms every day testament, that kind of leaves you with an issue doesn't it? The Old Testament prophesied the coming of Jesus and if Jesus met all those prophesies but you are saying Judaism is of Satan, then, by logical conclusion, Jesus would be...I don't even want to type the blasphemy. I hate the fact that I'm even thinking it.

Now you bring up an interesting thought about Islam. They believe Jesus was a prophet, not the Messiah. And since some of the the things he said and didn't say are in direct opposition of Islam, then that would make him a false prophet to Islam. Which means Mohammed, in naming Jesus as a prophet, got that wrong which would make Mohammed the false prophet, not Jesus.

Palomino · Aug 3, 2006

Anything is possible but it depends on who we use to work with them.Not the right time right now.

Poke · Aug 3, 2006

romanov said:
Considering the OT is Judaisms every day testament, that kind of leaves you with an issue doesn't it?

The Talmud is superior to the OT, to Jews.

The Old Testament prophesied the coming of Jesus and if Jesus met all those prophesies but you are saying Judaism is of Satan, then, by logical conclusion, Jesus would be...I don't even want to type the blasphemy. I hate the fact that I'm even thinking it.

Jesus didn't practice Judaism. Judaism is not the religion of the OT. Judaism denies the teaching of the OT and denies that Jesus is of God. If you believe the Old Testament prophesied the coming of Jesus, then you must agree with me.

Now you bring up an interesting thought about Islam. They believe Jesus was a prophet, not the Messiah. And since some of the the things he said and didn't say are in direct opposition of Islam, then that would make him a false prophet to Islam.

I assume that Muslims rationalize away any contradictions. And, I agree that Mohammad is a false prophet.

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 3, 2006

That pretty much sums of Judaism. The Jewish Bible, the Talmud, even goes a step further and teaches that Jesus is spending eternity in boiling feces.

Judaism denies that Jesus is of God. Islam teaches that Jesus is of God, a prophet of God.

romanov said:
Considering the OT is Judaisms every day testament, that kind of leaves you with an issue doesn't it? The Old Testament prophesied the coming of Jesus and if Jesus met all those prophesies but you are saying Judaism is of Satan, then, by logical conclusion, Jesus would be...I don't even want to type the blasphemy. I hate the fact that I'm even thinking it.

Judaism is more like works of the "flesh", not the Spirit of Christ.

Didn't Paul call the Judaizers enemies of the Gospel of our Lord and King Jesus Christ?

I can see why a lot of Messianics and all Jews dislike our brother Paul in some ways. Shalom and Peace.

1 thess 2:14 For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judea in Christ Jesus. For you also suffered the same things from your own countrymen, just as they [did] from the Judeans, 15 who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they do not please God and are contrary to all men, 16 forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved, so as always to fill up [the measure of] their sins;

(Young) Romans 16:20 and the God of the peace shall bruise the Adversary/Satan under your feet in swiftness; the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you. Amen!

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 3, 2006

Muslims declare holy war on Israel.

just like the title says.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060727/...azkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

"The war with Israel does not depend on cease-fires ... . It is a jihad (holy war) for the sake of God and will last until (our) religion prevails ... from Spain to Iraq," said al-Zawahri. "We will attack everywhere."

GraceInHim · Aug 3, 2006

applepowerpc said:
Actually, Islam DOES acknowledge that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

yes and that he was only a prophet, and not the son of God.. as to Iran's top man, he thinks his Messiah is returning very soon and it is not Jesus and he is chosen to have all submit to his Allah before he comes (as his mind thinks) this includes wiping Jews off the map and Christians submit to his Allah.. very different then the Lord we love..

Think he will never give up..

just my 2 cents

BarbB · Aug 3, 2006

Poke said:
The Talmud is superior to the OT, to Jews.

Jesus didn't practice Judaism. Judaism is not the religion of the OT. Judaism denies the teaching of the OT and denies that Jesus is of God. If you believe the Old Testament prophesied the coming of Jesus, then you must agree with me.

.

You are beginning to believe your own lies. Apparently you are not aware that Jesus was a Jew, was circumcised as a Jew at 8 days old, was in the Temple for his bar mitzvah at 12 (when he was left behind by Mary and Joseph), and became a rabbi at 30. He celebrated the required feasts and festivals in Jerusalem year after year according to the NT. He read the scriptures in the Temple and those scriptures were among others Isaiah which is in the OT.

BarbB · Aug 3, 2006

LittleLambofJesus said:
....

I can see why a lot of Messianics and all Jews dislike our brother Paul in some ways. Shalom and Peace.....;

I don't know how Jews feel about Paul - I assume that they NEVER read him as he is a NT apostle. Correct? Why would they?

And most Messianics do NOT dislike Paul.

There are the most atrocious falsehoods posted in this forum as though they were truth.

BarbB · Aug 3, 2006

LittleLambofJesus said:
....
"The war with Israel does not depend on cease-fires ... . It is a jihad (holy war) for the sake of God and will last until (our) religion prevails ... from Spain to Iraq," said al-Zawahri. "We will attack everywhere."

And that's why they are cowering behind their women and children asking for a ceasefire - right?

GraceInHim · Aug 3, 2006

If you believe the Old Testament prophesied the coming of Jesus, then you must agree with me.

speaking of OT prophecies, have you read Ezekiel 36 on?

when you say must agree with you to a MJ member, what do you mean?

Easystreet · Aug 3, 2006

LittleLambofJesus said:
Muslims declare holy war on Israel.

just like the title says.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060727/...azkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

"The war with Israel does not depend on cease-fires ... . It is a jihad (holy war) for the sake of God and will last until (our) religion prevails ... from Spain to Iraq," said al-Zawahri. "We will attack everywhere."

Hi Little Lamb,

I am wondering exactly what you are trying to say with the passages you quote?

God Bless

Love Always Finds A Way

Is it possible to negotiate with Iran?

Is Iran the least bit civilised

yes

no

Insert witty title here.

Senior Veteran

Senior Veteran

Don't Tread on Me

applepowerpc

Guest

Poke

Guest

Senior Veteran

this little filly belongs to JESUS

Poke

Guest

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

† Need a lifeguard? Mine walks on water †

I stand with my brothers and sisters in Israel!

I stand with my brothers and sisters in Israel!

I stand with my brothers and sisters in Israel!

† Need a lifeguard? Mine walks on water †

Well-Known Member

Similar threads

Privacy & Transparency

Privacy & Transparency