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Matthew777 said:Well, back to the evolution issue. I understand that there is a range within the church concerning creation vs. evolution but perhaps I would classify myself as an Orthodox "fundamentalist". If Genesis were incorrect, I am faithful that God would have revealed this to the fathers. Evolution was not new to Darwin, and the fathers confronted it even in their day.
It would be better to believe that truth which God has already given to us than to conform to the theory of naturalistic metaphysicians.
I, for one, was an evolutionist until I concerned myself with what the fathers actually taught.
May peace be upon thee and with thy spirit.
Rilian said:Im not aware of anything that says belief in a literal six days creation or a specific dating of the age of the earth based on biblical chronologies are articles of faith within Orthodoxy. I know many Fathers held these beliefs, and some did not. Im not sure if there was any overriding consensus view within the church one way or the other at any time. I know of nothing the councils proclaimed in this regard other than one must believe in creation ex nihilo.
Very wise, Brad.forgivensinner001 said:That is the view that I have come to lean towards, though this has become virtually a non-issue for me since my conversion. It seems that with the level of sin and corruption in my heart and life, the method God used to create the world has been relegated to a bowl in the refrigerator as even the back burners on the stove are in use by issues of holiness, sin and repentance.Sorry, I'm full of analogies this morning so you get at least one.
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Matthew777 said:Genesis and Early Man
The Orthodox Patristic Understanding
http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/phronema/evolution_frseraphim_kalomiros.aspx
Why an Orthodox Christian cannot be an evolutionist
www.creatio.orthodoxy.ru/sbornik/sbufeev_whynot_english.html
May peace be upon thee and with thy spirit.
Rilian said:I'm not sure why you quoted this in reply to me...
countrymouse33ad said:I don't think we're debating whether Genesis is true or not, just discussing how it is to be understood.
Xpycoctomos said:I will concern myself with the later rather than assuming the OT Fathers were writing a classroom science book.
Matthew777 said:St Theophanus the Recluse wrote: "The positive teaching of the Church serves to know whether a concept is from the Truth. This is a litmus test for all teachings. Whatever agrees with it, you should accept it, whatever does not- - reject. One can do it without further deliberations". "Science goes forward fast, let it do so. But if they infer something inconsistent with the Divine Revelation, they are definitely off the right path in life, do not follow them". "Believers have the right to measure the material things with spiritual ones, when materialists get into the realm of the spiritual without a slightest scruple... We have wisdom as our partner, while theirs is foolishness. Material things can be neither the power nor the purpose. They are just the means and the field of activity of spiritual powers by the action of the spiritual beginning of all things (Creator)"
May peace be upon thee and with thy spirit.
Matthew777 said:One's view of origins influences one's faith and world outlook.
May peace be upon thee and with thy spirit.
Xpycoctomos said:I'm afraid I will start just arguing to argue (I'm good at that).
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