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How about in instances where what the religious and the nonreligious agree or overlap? For example, a religious and a non-religious person agree that it's wrong to kill people. Is the wrongness of killing people a philosophy or a morality?They call it morality, but it is a philosophy. You have yours and I have mine.
Morality is evaluated against an absolute standard.
lol jesus came to get rid of a religion that was flawed and since then people have tried to create more of them to make life harder. I thought Jesus came to free us. But yeah part of that freedom involves an attempt at morality in exchange for the gift it brings.No religion, no morality.
There is no need to do that. Just recognize it and obey it would be good enough. That is how a standard becomes a standard.
Atheist does not have a standard because everyone is asking WHY but no one can give answer to make everyone satisfied.
Have you seen how many different religious sects there are (just within your own religion)? What can't give an answer that makes everyone satisfied? Religion.
Is this forum only for the mentally challenged, or can anyone get in?
lol jesus came to get rid of a religion that was flawed and since then people have tried to create more of them to make life harder. I thought Jesus came to free us. But yeah part of that freedom involves an attempt at morality in exchange for the gift it brings.
How about in instances where what the religious and the nonreligious agree or overlap? For example, a religious and a non-religious person agree that it's wrong to kill people. Is the wrongness of killing people a philosophy or a morality?
You mean all Christians agree that killing people is wrong?Philosophy to atheists: Some people may still disagree.
Morality to Christian: Everyone agreed
Each atheist has his own idea and "standard".
Very laughable.
And the content of that is subject to debate and correction.
You don't get it. The ethical standard I'm talking about isn't an idea. It is the reality of what satisfies human needs for personal growth and maturation. It exists externally to my opinions.
True, we must conceptualize that standard in order to apply it to our lives, but any morality must be conceptualized, so that is nothing new.
Furthermore, you seem to be unaware that atheists may adhere in large numbers to a particular standard at least as consistently as members of religions. For instance, there are several million secular humanists, and they tend to agree pretty well on ethical issues.
There are many thousands of people who agree with me pretty closely on what the ethical standard is.
Still laughing?
And that is a good thing, but that doesn't make the ethical standard any less objective.
And Christianity has absolutely no advantage here. Christian doctrines have been debated for millenia. Tell me, how many denominations of Christianity are there?
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You mean all Christians agree that killing people is wrong?
Are you sure about that?
Although, even with people who claim to be handling it according to Biblical teaching, the views among Christians as to what's biblical varies greatly. I've observed as much diversity of opinion within Christianity alone as I have across the overall religious spectrum.Except the situation of war. That has a different argument.
However, the argument should be done according to the Biblical teaching. In a sense, it is still a matter which is evaluated according to an absolute standard.
See, with a standard in front of you, the decision could still vary. Needless to say about the chaos when there is no such standard.
Wait, what?I know that perfectly. That is what we call it humanity.
What?That is what we call it humanity.
WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN?!...what we call it humanity.
You mean, morality? I thought I already told you so. Rudimentary rules of morality are hard-wired into our brains, and we turn them into subjective standards using thought and experience.And the challenge for you is to figure out why does it exist.
That's not true. We can still judge you according to our standards, and we can also judge which standard makes the most sense.The problem I have with that is nobody can say that I am wrong when I make a different choice or decision which might go against the main stream idea (you just have to "tolerate" me).
Then why do Christians still commit crimes, if they can instantly tell right from wrong?In any religion, one can clearly say something is wrong without further argument.
I know that perfectly. That is what we call it humanity. And the challenge for you is to figure out why does it exist.
The problem I have with that is nobody can say that I am wrong when I make a different choice or decision which might go against the main stream idea (you just have to "tolerate" me). In any religion, one can clearly say something is wrong without further argument.
That's not true. We can still judge you according to our standards, and we can also judge which standard makes the most sense.
Then why do Christians still commit crimes, if they can instantly tell right from wrong?
As far as I can see you are doing it all the time. So, yes, quite apparently you can.Can I judge you according to my standard, since you can judge me according to yours?
Yes, you can, but that doesn't mean your standard makes sense.Can I judge you according to my standard, since you can judge me according to yours?
Thanks for this insightful comment, Sherlock!Christians commit crimes for the same reason non-Christians commit crimes; because they choose to.
What about sociopaths?All people, believers and unbelievers, the godfearing and the godless know right from wrong. It is called a conscience and is given to us as an inherent part of our nature being created in the image of God.
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