Is It A Sin to touch?

threeinone · Aug 14, 2006

Gukkor said:
You misunderstand me, threeinone. The fact that we are saints does not mean that we don't feel remorse or that we shouldn't (at least in my mind it doesn't). The difference is that because we know we have already been forgiven, we don't have to dwell on that remorse. Instead of simply wallowing hopelessly in our own iniquity, we can learn from our mistakes and move on, having become all the better for it. We know that though we will make mistakes and sin in the future, it will not stop us because we have the ability to learn from it and grow spiritually in God. Were we not saints, the prospect of future sin would simply leave us either careless and unrepentant, or hopeless and miserable, neither of which would allow us to grow closer to God.

I guess you and I just have different perceptions of what it means to be a saint. To me, sainthood doesn't mean we're perfect. It simply means that the gap between us and God is permanently bridged, and our sin is powerless to burn that bridge down. Because our sin no longer condemns us to death, we are free to turn our mistakes into learning and growing experiences, rather than despairing over being condemned by them.

It doesn't make sense to me. I don't despair over my sins, I learn from my mistakes and all that you say. But I do commit sins and that makes me a sinner, not to dwell on but to remember who I am. To think of myself as a saint who cannot in any way be separated from God is to leave myself unguarded and more open to sin. If you are a saint then we cannot be friends for you are above me because I am a good person but I do sin which makes me a sinner. Saints are free of sin and do not sin and are extra holy beyond the rest of us ordinary people. Would you like to be called Saint Gukkor. If not, you need to rethink. Why not use a word less edifying befitting of a human being.

holo · Aug 14, 2006

I'm a child of God, that's what it boils down to. In other words, I am a saint. I am holy, blameless, guiltless, free. I couldn't get to heaven if I had guilt.

threeinone · Aug 14, 2006

holo said:
I'm a child of God, that's what it boils down to. In other words, I am a saint. I am holy, blameless, guiltless, free. I couldn't get to heaven if I had guilt.

Okay. You have a whole new description of saint from mine. With your description of saint, we are all saints. I just couldn't use the word to describe myself. Another word perhaps.

White Horse · Aug 14, 2006

Is touching yourself a sin?

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Only if you're wearing your sister's clothes.

threeinone · Aug 14, 2006

White Horse said:
Only if you're wearing your sister's clothes.

Gukkor · Aug 14, 2006

threeinone said:
It doesn't make sense to me. I don't despair over my sins, I learn from my mistakes and all that you say. But I do commit sins and that makes me a sinner, not to dwell on but to remember who I am. To think of myself as a saint who cannot in any way be separated from God is to leave myself unguarded and more open to sin. If you are a saint then we cannot be friends for you are above me because I am a good person but I do sin which makes me a sinner. Saints are free of sin and do not sin and are extra holy beyond the rest of us ordinary people. Would you like to be called Saint Gukkor. If not, you need to rethink. Why not use a word less edifying befitting of a human being.

Perhaps you are right. The word has taken on a context of superiority that I don't believe it originally had, and I assure you that I am by no means implying superiority to you or anyone else. Hm, I'm having difficulty thinking of a proper term to replace it, though...

threeinone · Aug 14, 2006

Gukkor said:
Perhaps you are right. The word has taken on a context of superiority that I don't believe it originally had, and I assure you that I am by no means implying superiority to you or anyone else. Hm, I'm having difficulty thinking of a proper term to replace it, though...

The word saint has not taken on a context of superiority(for lack of a better word). Using the word saint as you do, you are taking the word saint out of context. That is what a saint is - someone a cut above the norm. Here is the web definition. You really do need to find a better word.

Definitions of saint on the Web:

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[*]a person who has died and has been declared a saint by canonization
[*]person of exceptional holiness
[*]enshrine: hold sacred
[*]ideal: model of excellence or perfection of a kind; one having no equal
[*]canonize: declare (a dead person) to be a saint; "After he was shown to have performed a miracle, the priest was canonized"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
[*]In general, the term Saint refers to someone who is exceptionally virtuous and holy. It can be applied to both the living and the dead and is an acceptable term in most of the world's popular religions. The Saint is held up by the community as an example of how we all should act, and his or her life story is usually recorded for the edification of future generations[/SIZE]

Quantos · Aug 14, 2006

threeinone said:
The word saint has not taken on a context of superiority(for lack of a better word). Using the word saint as you do, you are taking the word saint out of context. That is what a saint is - someone a cut above the norm. Here is the web definition. You really do need to find a better word.

Definitions of saint on the Web:

[SIZE=-1][/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
[*]a person who has died and has been declared a saint by canonization
[*]person of exceptional holiness
[*]enshrine: hold sacred
[*]ideal: model of excellence or perfection of a kind; one having no equal
[*]canonize: declare (a dead person) to be a saint; "After he was shown to have performed a miracle, the priest was canonized"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
[*]In general, the term Saint refers to someone who is exceptionally virtuous and holy. It can be applied to both the living and the dead and is an acceptable term in most of the world's popular religions. The Saint is held up by the community as an example of how we all should act, and his or her life story is usually recorded for the edification of future generations[/SIZE]

And how dose the Bible describe Saints ?

Gukkor · Aug 14, 2006

"enshrine; hold sacred"

This is essentially the sense in which I was using the word. Looking up the definition of "sacred," you'll find that when something is sacred, it has been devoted to God. In other words, it possesses a connection to God that is more than incidental. God intended for us to be sacred, reconciled and consecrated to Him. To accomplish this, He sent Christ, etc., etc., you know the rest. The point is, God loves us. We are precious to Him. That honor alone, in my opinion, is enough to not only to nullify our sins, but renders all mankind holy, sainted, in other words.

Still, though, I do agree, I should find a more fitting word to summarize my view on this topic, one that doesn't also imply literal perfection.

threeinone · Aug 14, 2006

Quantos said:
And how dose the Bible describe Saints ?

Well I couldn't find it in the web so I have to go by my bible which says a saint is a person who has died and been canonized. You probably have a bible that says something different. I just would have a problem considering myself a saint when I commit sins. I know my sins have been forgiven before I even commit them and I know that Jesus washed away our sins with His blood(I don't use that expression) = but we still commit(present tense) the sins and believe it or not, sinners go to Heaven. You just have a different outlook. I am glad you don't have to be dead to be a saint.

White Horse · Aug 14, 2006

I don't think you'll ever find the word "saint" in the Bible used toward one person. I think it's always talking about a group of believers. "The saints" this, "the saints" that. Not someone exhalted in any way. Never "Saint so and so". So, basically it just means "believers".

Rockbysea · Aug 14, 2006

gtsecc said:
Well?

- keep your pecker in the pants
- stop clicking on those porn popups
- keep you eyballs in your sockets during the summertime and keep your gaze straight before you
- Stop thinking about past sexual encounters

do the above, and eventually, with the help of God, the desire will slowly fade away

JesseRaymondBassett · Aug 14, 2006

Hello,
As someone who used to touch daily and such, I have to say it IS a sin. You create images in your mind to stimulate yourself for sexual gratification. Now mind you I still fall occasionally, but not as often. I've found that keeping myself occupied is the way to go. If I am occupied, I do not touch. The Lord is slowly healing me of this sin. Praise God! If HE can heal me, HE can heal you too! Just ask HIM!

Rockbysea · Aug 14, 2006

JesseBassett said:
Hello,
As someone who used to touch daily and such, I have to say it IS a sin. You create images in your mind to stimulate yourself for sexual gratification. Now mind you I still fall occasionally, but not as often. I've found that keeping myself occupied is the way to go. If I am occupied, I do not touch. The Lord is slowly healing me of this sin. Praise God! If HE can heal me, HE can heal you too! Just ask HIM!

threeinone · Aug 14, 2006

White Horse said:
I don't think you'll ever find the word "saint" in the Bible used toward one person. I think it's always talking about a group of believers. "The saints" this, "the saints" that. Not someone exhalted in any way. Never "Saint so and so". So, basically it just means "believers".

The Mormons are Latter-day Saints. I have never heard of people considering themselves saints until now. I did know of the term Latter-day saints of the Mormons but never made the connection. And the Mormons believe that their church is the one and only church. Do you believe that too?

JesseRaymondBassett · Aug 14, 2006

Rockbysea said:

Thanks Rockbysea.

It's so true though isn't it? With masturbation you lead yourself into areas of sexual sin that one does not and should not want to go to. That's why we need JESUS!

Mattacious · Aug 14, 2006

gtsecc said:
Well?

What's wrong with you? Ofcourse it is. Do you not have the Holy Spirit convicting you?

You didn't even initially comment on what you believed.

White Horse · Aug 14, 2006

threeinone said:
The Mormons are Latter-day Saints. I have never heard of people considering themselves saints until now. I did know of the term Latter-day saints of the Mormons but never made the connection. And the Mormons believe that their church is the one and only church. Do you believe that too?

eheh No, I'm just saying I think you'll find the word "saints" in the Bible can be easily translated "believers" and that you won't find anyone addressed as "Saint so and so". The way the Bible uses the word and the way most of us use it now are two different things.

Rockbysea · Aug 14, 2006

JesseBassett said:
Thanks Rockbysea.

It's so true though isn't it? With masturbation you lead yourself into areas of sexual sin that one does not and should not want to go to. That's why we need JESUS!

Hi Jesse, I agree. It is one of the most difficult things to deal with but what most people need to know is that if you start working on keeping sexual thoughts from entering the mind eventually, over time, the urges go away. I used to always think that it was hopeless to try because the urges would never go away but that’s not true.

There’s actually to things that work in conjunction to help a person overcome that habit after you pray to our Father for help:

First thing: God made that part of the body in such a way in that if you leave the pecker alone, eventually it will stop bugin ya and will dedicate its time to doing what it does best….pee pee.

Secondly. If you stay away from porn and such and practice not thinking about sex, meaning, don’t think about your past flings, place an imaginary skirt over women around you that like to wear revealing clothes, over time this practice actually becomes habitual.

For example: Where I live in the beautiful city of Vancouver BC, 2 blocks from the beach, there are literally the world's most beautiful women who wear very little. So what God showed me how to do is walk while keeping my gaze straight ahead and place a skirt over the visible things in this world, which are all passing away, that draw the lust of the eyes. Now, I’ve been practicing this for so long now I don’t even think about it I just do it habitually. A woman can be talking to me in revealing clothes and I only see her aura, or her spirit, I don’t even take note about her form or what she’s wearing. I do all this habitually.

Now this doesn't mean that one may never ever again touch, but it becomes very rare and if it does happen, it is usually not accompanied by sexual thoughts but it's more of a quick release.

You see over time, when one grows in Christ by the Holy Spirit, we become more and more spiritual, like spirit beings with a fleshly exterior. When Christ returns, all He has to do is remove the fleshly exterior and replace it with a divine body like His own.

Quantos · Aug 14, 2006

[bible]1 Corinthians 8:1-13[/bible]

Can this be also used for why some see it as wrong and others dont ?

Not everything is Black & White in the bible (eating meat offered to Idols is one example)

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