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Is is possible Jesus was talking about science?

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Some people believe that the ancient spiritual leaders were trying to explain what was actually Science at the time. But that most people were still too unenlightened and superstitious to understand what they were trying to say.

Phineas Quimby was known for discovering ancient healing techniques in the 19th century that were the result of telling people the "Truth" about the universe, and removing the scales of religion and superstition from their eyes and which had been the source of their disease. His ideas are still ahead of his time and deserve more research.

What do you think?

(This is an excellent explanation of the Bible from that point of view. It is an interpretation of Jesus's message as depicted in the gospels.)

 

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radhead said:
This is an explanation of the Bible from that point of view.
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FTFY.

That is a ridiculous theory which displaces Jesus from any sort of context and portrays him in the same light as "ancient astronaut" historiographers. Jesus spoke in parables just like very many other Jewish teachers did, not to show that he came from space, like ET. How about instead of reading and listening to nonsense fringe "history" you look at what religious scholars, theologians and historians are saying about Jesus? Everyone who listened to that all the way through is just a little less intelligent for having done so.
 
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No, this is not a "science fiction" theory as you seem to think. It's not about outer space aliens. It's about truth and reality, and it is very Down To Earth. Things which can actually be observed and evaluated without blind faith or superstition. It's reading the Bible in a symbolic way, trying to make sense of the Magic and Miracles (without just accepting them as literal).

Jesus was a man who understood the important things of God, which can be known about God without actually defining what God is. That is true even if you go beyond that and into orthodox religion. Does that make sense?

But that type of Bible-literalism of the ancient astronauts theory is closer to orthodox religion, since religion also reads the Bible literally, at least in parts. But I admit that it is a lot worse than orthodoxy, since there seems to be absolutely no spiritual element in the AA theory. Yes, I think the ancient astronaut idea is ridiculous. So we agree on that.
 
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radhead said:
What do you think?
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I’ll take the bait but, I recommend in the future providing your own insights on the subject as well.
For example, Quimby claims X, and here is my insights on his claim.
Sadly, the videos provide no breakdown and or evidence to back up his concepts of Jesus.
Quimby never defines ‘science’ as well. For example, he says when Jesus says, ‘Take my yoke upon you and learn from me…’
Quimby says Jesus meant, take my knowledge or science.
So, do I assume Quimby means (19th century) a way to study the natural world?
Yet, if so, Jesus doesn’t follow this, he continues to talk about how humble and gentle he is, etc.
If you have a better breakdown or can provide one it would be helpful.

I think Quimby’s concepts of Jesus would be a lot different in today’s modern medicine era verses his era of undeveloped medicine. I think Quimby’s concepts of Jesus would be a lot different with today’s better translations of the Bible verses the KJV that he used.
 
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I'm not really that concerned with the details, the translations, etc. It's an overall message that the stories in the Bible represented true and verifiable concepts. Do you agree with that or not?

If not, then what do you think the Bible was? Something written with malicious intent?

I don't think that. I think there is great truth and wisdom in the Bible, but it has been hidden in superstition and distorted by organized religion.
 
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There are many. But if I just could pick one it would be that the most important way to honor God who created all things, would be to love our neighbors and all living things, understanding that we are all a part of the same living organism and universe. We are one body, not just a certain group of people, but all living things united together.
 
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ChetSinger said:
I thought this reminded me of Christian Science, and, sure enough, I've just read that Mary Baker Eddy was a patient of his. Did she appropriate his ideas and add a Christian veneer to them?
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Yes, although he already had the same basic Christian idea. She was the first of many he inspired. Others included the Unity Church and Religious Science.

And of course many orthodox Christian "faith healers" who have incorporated some of his methods into orthodoxy. Or at least have attempted to.
 
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