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Mallon

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Any number of studies have been done on the power of prayer. Some positive some not. SO, clearly it can be done.
Indeed. In fact, the most carefully designed studies have found that prayer has no effect on health recovery rates. So, as someone who believes we can use science to test for the 'God factor', what would you conclude from such a study? How does the ambiguity of the results you mentioned above square with your previous assertion that God is "predictable and obervable"?

The House of Buster say I like my way of saying the same thing better.
But you didn't say the same thing. Scientists =/= science. As Deamiter pointed out, saying science is contemptuous of God makes about as much sense as saying a mitre saw is contemptuous of God. You don't need to believe in God to use a mitre saw.

I'm sorry, busterdog, but I just don't find your god-of-the-gaps argument fulfilling in the least. I see God at work in what we do know, as well as what we don't know. Using God to plug a mental leak or to fill an intellectual hole is lazy, dangerous, and unscriptural. Having faith in God involves more than just trusting Him with what we don't know... it involves trusting Him with what we do know, too. That's something science can never tell us.
 
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However would you go about demonstrating that we know less and less? The very reason we know of more mysteries is because we know enough to be able to ask ever more questions!

You seem to claim that because we know enough to be able to ask more questions, we actually know less... Because we are aware of more gaps in our knowledge, somehow even though our knowledge had to increase to be able to understand the new gaps, you claim that our knowledge of the new gaps has actually decreased our knowledge?

It's an odd position to take -- that God is glorified not just by what we don't understand, and not just by what we do understand, but primarily by what we KNOW we do not understand.
 
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These threads take on a life of their own but nevertheless the OP seems to ask the question: is there a difference between creationism and Intelligent Design?
Creationism can be defined simply as the belief in a Creator. This is rooted in the Bible and a creationist points to the Bible as the final source of authority. Without the Bible then there are no creationists.

Intelligent Design is different because it is not based on the Bible. ID is the product of 1) design in nature and 2) the unsatisfactory explanation for design provided by evolution. The Bible is not invoked at all rather the IDer points to design in nature first.

It follows then that not all IDers must be Bible believing creationists. But all Bible believing creationists are IDers. In either case both are critical of the Darwinian process and both become the target for true believers. In this sense both creationism and ID become the same.
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It follows then that not all IDers must be Bible believing creationists.

Theoretically speaking this is true but in reality it is very difficult to find such an individual. Behe may be one in a manner of speaking but it seems almost all the ID fans are biblically based Creationists.
 
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Yes, creationism is rooted in the concept of a creator, but the creator doesn't have to be the bible-based creator. Just ask any Hindu creationist.

Also, while ID never mentions the bible, it does rely as a central argument on a creator (designer). So I disagree that "not all IDers must be Bible believing creationists" - all IDers must be believing creationists of some religion, be it Christianity, Hinduism, Raelian, etc.
 
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