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Is evolution atheistic?

Interesting reading. I particularly enjoyed this...


http://www.rae.org/firing.html
 

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  I'll show you one. As soon as you show me a chemistry, physics, geology, thermodynamics or botany journal that mentions God. Or a text on software engineering. Or a Linux reference manual.

   I'm not surprised you enjoyed it, Nick. You seem to find the stupidest reasoning appealing for some reason.

 
 
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Originally posted by npetreley
By the way, this article addresses most of the (IMO) evolutionist blather that gets posted here.

*RANT MODE ON*

I suppose to a chimpanzee, the works of Shakespeare would be considered "blather."

*RANT MODE OFF*

Ok, now that I got that out of my system...

Let me explain this very clearly. EVOLUTION IS NOT, BY DEFINITION, ATHEISTIC. It makes no claims whatsoever against the existence of God. Evolution does not claim there is no God. Unlike Creationism, evolution can happen regardless of whether God exists or not.

Creationism, on the other hand, hangs solely upon principles which cannot, nor ever can, be proven scientifically. But they insist on calling it "science" anyway.

EVOLUTION DOES NOT SAY: "God doesn't exist."

EVOLUTION DOES SAY: "The variety of life on Earth could've gotten this way by itself, without help from God."

It is an interesting article, though. I scanned over it briefly and found it to be quite amusing in it's willful ignorance. The whole site is good for a study/laugh. They researched their facts carefully; they knew exactly which ones to ignore.
 
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Originally posted by secularfuture
Evolution, by definiton, only talks about how life has changed over time.

From the same article:

 
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Where's the alleged chicanery? Is the chosen definition somehow inaccurate? It ain't the evolutionists' fault that the fact of evolution is bleedingly obvious to anyone willing to look at the evidence objectively.


Evolution relies on random mutations to produce variation. Is science so complete that we fully explain the final causes of each random change?

Then there's natural selection. Some organisms live to reproduce and others die. Often the difference between one and the other is luck.

In both cases, there is plenty of room for God's invisible hand to tip the balance one direction or the other.
 
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  Notice: Nick has retreated from his initial question, "Is evolution atheistic", and has now frantically changed the subject away from the initial 'proof' that you never see God in evolutionary papers, towards an extrapolation of evolutionary theory.

  So Nick's goalposts have now been moved to "Can evolution be used to support atheism"?

  And, by the way, "change in allele frequencies over time" is a slightly better phrasing of it.
 
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This reminds me of a post by someone on another message board who announced that anything that didn't reference God specifically was atheistic, because atheism literally means "without God". Examples of atheistic things including going to the bathroom, or school kids at recess--he believed every possible thing had to be either about God or atheistic.

By this thinking, the following things are atheistic:

Your shoes
Learning to type
Cooking
The first stanza of The Star Spangled Banner
Math
Music theory
 
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Classic Strawman tactic. They can't refute the real definition of evolution, so they make one up and argue against their own invention.  The "molecules-to-man" part is an especially blantant oversimplification, but a common one.
 
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Originally posted by blader
It ain't atheistic. It's just scientific.

Exactly.

Nick, you've been shown a ton of evidence here and also when you posted on the SecWeb. I'd be really interested in your actual thoughts on this evidence.

Chris
 
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