Is contraception/birth control a sin?

traversinginfinity · Aug 20, 2006

BreadAlone said:
I'm pretty sure that Randombitsofstring was referring to making implications based on your own opinion of God and not of the Bible.

Then he can show me where I've been making implications. My argument is from Scripture, I've already shown that. I've even shown why Onan's sin involved more than just rebelliousness, or refusing to perform a specific duty.

traversinginfinity · Aug 20, 2006

ScottyL said:
I'd love to see you offer some biblical support for your claim.

I already have! I've shown why Onan's sin consisted of more than just rebelliuosness and failure to perform a duty.

Can you offer ANY support for your claim that that's all it was?

You do know that deuteronomy and leviticus hadn't even been written yet.

So there was no law to say what would happen to someone who was rebellious and refused to perform something they were almost obligated to do

So? Are you saying God's Law changes? God changed his mind about what He wanted the punishment to be for a man who didnt perform that specific duty?

Now you're just grasping at smoke. You have given absolutely no biblical support for your claim that artificial contraception is morally acceptable. Before the 20th century, all churches, Protestant churches included, taught that contraception was morally wrong. In the 20th century the Anglican Communion wast he first to allow it, and then many other Christian sects followed because they were losing members to Anglicanism.

If you want me to believe that contraception is morally permissible, you're going to do a little better than just disagreeing with everything I say. You'll have to show me somehow from Scripture that it's alright. I've already show from Scripture why it is not.

Theogonia · Aug 20, 2006

traversinginfinity said:
I already have! I've shown why Onan's sin consisted of more than just rebelliuosness and failure to perform a duty.

Can you offer ANY support for your claim that that's all it was?

So? Are you saying God's Law changes? God changed his mind about what He wanted the punishment to be for a man who didnt perform that specific duty?

Now you're just grasping at smoke. You have given absolutely no biblical support for your claim that artificial contraception is morally acceptable. Before the 20th century, all churches, Protestant churches included, taught that contraception was morally wrong. In the 20th century the Anglican Communion wast he first to allow it, and then many other Christian sects followed because they were losing members to Anglicanism.

If you want me to believe that contraception is morally permissible, you're going to do a little better than just disagreeing with everything I say. You'll have to show me somehow from Scripture that it's alright. I've already show from Scripture why it is not.

You're projecting meaning onto scripture that isn't
there.

Read this:

http://www.new-life.net/faq006.htm

wonderwaleye · Aug 20, 2006

Dear Saeph

It appears the OP has gotten side tracked.

I think we first need to address the SIN of FORNACATION. If that were addressed properly then your question will have been answered.

We have the choice to FORNACATE or NOT. If we chose to then there is a price to be paid. One of these is taking things out of the control of GOD'S HANDS. Another is it can lead to decisions being made without our eyes being wide open because we are involved with sex with that person. Another is conception outside of marriage. ( it can still happen ) Another is GOD'S WORD that says when we have sex with another we become ONE with that person and in GOD'S EYE'S we are married.

So you see the question you ask is only a fraction to the main sin.

This is why your parents feel the way they do. They don't want to just give you a free ticket to the PAIN that it can cause.

THIS GET MUCH EASIER TO UNDERSTAND IF WE WILL REMEMBER:

X Even though you can't see him, GOD is there!!! O
( click on the x and drag to the O ) ( then see who is with you ) steven

Randombitsofstring · Aug 21, 2006

Da_Funkey_Gibbon said:
Christians don't agree on a huge number of issues, abortion, war, homosexual relations... Is there then no objective truth to these matters?
The irony of this, combined with the above, is that you are merely implying that you know more about God than I do! Everyone has a different private interpretation of scripture. What you think the bible "sets forth" in cases such as this is entirely your opinion I'm afraid. I'm not saying it's a bad or uninformed opinion mind, you seem intelligent, but it is an opinion nonetheless.

My interpretation is neither private or, really, my own though I guess it has become my own. 1000 blessings if you know why!

Since there really isnt any real proof that God does existeverybodys thoughts and beliefs really are just opinions. Everybody is going to see and view God and the bible differently because we are humans and we are going to take into account our own experiences when ever we read or learn something.

I never implied that I knew more than God, I merely stated what I was taught.

Da_Funkey_Gibbon · Aug 21, 2006

Randombitsofstring said:
Since there really isn’t any real proof that God does exist—everybody’s thoughts and beliefs really are just opinions. Everybody is going to see and view God and the bible differently because we are humans and we are going to take into account our own experiences when ever we read or learn something.

I never implied that I knew more than God, I merely stated what I was taught.

And I stated what I was taught, yet you accused me of "Implying I knew what God was thinking." That's my gripe.

tom29 · Aug 22, 2006

please stop the arguing and forgive each other...
Anyway, I Love you all and so does Christ.

my opinion?
I believe there are other ways to express love to someone than sex.
thus concluding that i dont belive in contraception. And this physical act shud be taken more seriously than it is now in todays society.

o well I'll say its basic ethics and morality + it is a widely known fact that contraception is a sin.. though i dont hav the sources to prove it atm >< god bless guys

tom29 · Aug 22, 2006

Randombitsofstring said:
Since there really isnt any real proof that God does existeverybodys thoughts and beliefs really are just opinions. Everybody is going to see and view God and the bible differently because we are humans and we are going to take into account our own experiences when ever we read or learn something.

I never implied that I knew more than God, I merely stated what I was taught.

actually you're quite wrong here, there is quite a lot of proof that God exists... and further more biblical evidence that the bible is true.

Just a bit of a sidetrack.. recently I saw on an article that across the Red Sea where Moses crossed they have found lots of remnants of human activity.. ( walk across ocean) PROOF

newaiz still love you

Saeph · Aug 22, 2006

wonderwaleye said:
We have the choice to FORNACATE or NOT. If we chose to then there is a price to be paid. One of these is taking things out of the control of GOD'S HANDS. Another is it can lead to decisions being made without our eyes being wide open because we are involved with sex with that person. Another is conception outside of marriage. ( it can still happen ) Another is GOD'S WORD that says when we have sex with another we become ONE with that person and in GOD'S EYE'S we are married.

So you see the question you ask is only a fraction to the main sin.

This is why your parents feel the way they do. They don't want to just give you a free ticket to the PAIN that it can cause.

I didn't want to fornicate, but that's also what my family is accusing me of! And also there is one thing I don't understand in your post: You said that people who are fornicating are taking the things out of god control. How is this possible?

The pain you're talking about - this was also an argument of my parents. What do you mean with that?

Maybe I'm no (good) christian with my alignment, but I think that it's better to contracept than to get pregnant with 14 yrs. Don't you think so, too?

wonderwaleye · Aug 22, 2006

Dear Saeph

Do you understand that fornicating is having sex outside of marriage???

We take things out of GOD'S HANDS when we choose not to abide by HIS WORD. In other words do things our OWN WAY.

Your parents LOVE you and want you to have the very best out of life. They know from what they have learned and experienced already the pain of doing things that turn out bad and they want to save you from experiencing this pain.
Some pain that comes to us out in the world can last a life time. It isn't like a punishment from a parent that is just forgotten after a short time.

Dear there's a GREAT deal of difference in our ages so I know from being young that it's hard to understand, but having sex at the age of 14 can have such devastating results. It's much more that JUST conceiving a child.

You cheat yourself of all the good times a young person could have by taking this shortcut. GOD made us to where if the pressure gets to much for us we can relieve it without all the wrong.

Dear your coming into the mating season. This doesn't make for a bad christian. Even the thoughts that enter your mind does not make you a bad CHRISTIAN. They are a driving force we have that cause us to procreate. ( have babies )

You are a normal person with normal thoughts. To be a TRUE CHRISTIAN is to TRY to follow GOD'S WORD. We don't always hit the mark but we TRY to do our very best.

I hope this helps you to understand. Please let me know of anymore questions you may have.

WHEN YOUR WITH YOUR BOYFRIEND OR AT ANY OTHER TIME REMEMBER:

X Even though you can't see him, GOD is there!!! O
( click on the x and drag to the O ) ( then see who is with you ) steven

cristianna · Aug 22, 2006

I commend you for your honesty to your mother. But Saeph, your situation saddens me. I could go on and on, but I'm sure you've already heard many things that have crossed my mind. I'm hoping to minimally repeat anything anyone may have stated.

The absolute best form of contraception you can use is abstinence. It will keep you safe from many repercussions-- physcially, spiritually and emotionally.

By that I mean: Physically- the pill, not fool-proof, only decreases your risk of pregnancy. It does nothing to protect you from disease; condoms are just as ineffective when they break or are used improperly. Emotionally- emotional turmoil will eventually surface. This turmoil can be anything under the sun from rumors and gossip spreading about in school all the way to when and if you two break up.

I'm sure you are a lovely young lady, and based on your foreward thinking of preventing a pregnancy and the courage to speak to your mother, you have great potential. I pray and hope you will heed the advice you are receiving from those around you.

Catholic Wife · Aug 22, 2006

First, sex is meant for marriage. By asking for the pill, you have essentially told your mother that you want to begin having sex even though you aren't married. This is fornication. Second, God told Adam and Eve (and, by extension, tells us) to be fruitful and multiply. This is not possible to be fruitful when you purposely try to avoid conceiving by taking pills or using some sort of barrier to prevent pregnancy.

As for the "pain" that comes from having pre-marital sex (especially at your age), I think Cristianna explained it well, but she forgot to include the spiritual aspect of this pain. By going against God's plan of sex within marriage only, you are putting yourself in the position of sinning without repentance (unless/until you do finally realize the seriousness of this). This can lead you further from God than you know. Nobody should be so special that they lead you away from God.

Theogonia · Aug 22, 2006

"be fruitful and multiply" was

#1: not a command

#2: they needed to have children to populate the earth. Now, the earth is overpopulated.

Also some girls take the pill to regulate their period, you can't assume that she's going to have sex.

wonderwaleye · Aug 22, 2006

Dear ScottyL

Also some girls take the pill to regulate their period, you can't assume that she's going to have sex.

Now throw this around in your mind and see what
sticks!!!

My mother always kept telling me that if I had a long-time relationship I should ask her for the birth control pill

because she couldn't accept me taking any contraceptives...

Does this:

Also some girls take the pill to regulate their period, you can't assume that she's going to have sex.

RELATE???

We really do need to stay on tract with the OP. Other wise Scotty you may take us somewhere we've never been before.

ASK GOD FOR TRUTH, WISDOM, UNDERSTANDING, LOVE AND ALWAYS REMEMBER:

X Even though you can't see him, GOD is there!!! O
( click on the x and drag to the O ) ( then see who is with you ) steven

Theogonia · Aug 22, 2006

Okay.

Still, why are you assuming she's going to have sex? Her mother told her to ask her for the pill.

PraiseTheLord84 · Aug 22, 2006

Saeph said:
Is contraception/birth control a sin?

I'm asking because my family is very devout, especially my grandmother. I didn't notice the whole extent of all that until last Friday. My mother always kept telling me that if I had a long-time relationship I should ask her for the birth control pill (as far as I know you only get it on prescription when your parents agree). Well, I asked her and the achievment was that she involved my whole family in this issue. At the end she wanted me to dump my boyfriend, because she couldn't accept me taking any contraceptives...

So, please tell me if birth control is a sin in the christian sense.

The birth control pill itself isn't sin, but the reason your taking it is. Your not to have sex until after marriage, so if your taking the pill because of wanting to have sex with your boyfriend, it's wrong.

Catholic Wife · Aug 22, 2006

ScottyL said:
"be fruitful and multiply" was

#1: not a command

#2: they needed to have children to populate the earth. Now, the earth is overpopulated.

I didn't say that God commanded them to be fruitful and multiply. Nor did I imply that people should have as many children as possible (I'm sorry if it sounded that way). Should I share my belief that since sex is meant to be for marriage only, a couple should (in the opinion of many on CF) be open to the possibility of conceiving a new life each and every time this marital act if performed? It's difficult to be open to new life when one takes a pill to prevent new life from developing within the womb or uses some sort of barrier to keep the egg and sperm from meeting.

ScottyL said:
Also some girls take the pill to regulate their period, you can't assume that she's going to have sex.

My pal wonderwaleye made a great point about how this relates to the OP. (BTW, some women are prescribed BCP for cycle regulation. Most teenaged girls aren't given BCP for this reason as it can take several years for a girl's cycle to regulate itself -- at least that's what I learned in high school biology and college A&P).

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