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Is cleanliness next to Godliness?

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We had a chaplain at school who used to spread his immaculately clean nail-brushed hands on the dining room table exclaiming "outward cleanliness is a sign of inner and spiritual cleanliness". I hid mine (dirty) under the table thinking "Poor deluded man - he's thinking it's possible to scrub his soul clean"!

But what is it that religions see in cleanliness, ritual washing and baptisms? A recent article (Sept 12, p 46) in New Scientist magazine [ht*p://w*w.newscientist.com/article/mg20327252.200-icy-stares-and-dirty-minds-hitchhiking-emotions.html] describes some recent research - and the results are not quite what one might expect:-


In a paper entitled "Experiencing Physical Warmth Promotes Interpersonal Warmth" Lawrence Williams and John Bargh report:-


In "Cold and Lonely: Does Social Exclusion Literally Feel Cold?" Chen-Bo Zhong and Geoffrey Leonardelli report the results two experiments that revealed social exclusion literally feels cold:-


In "Disgust as Embodied Moral Judgment" Simone Schnall, Jonathan Haidt, Gerald Clore and Alexander Jordan write:-


In "Washing Away Your Sins: Threatened Morality and Physical Cleansing" Chen-Bo Zhong and Katie Liljenquist report:-


Counter-intuitively, you might conclude from these experiments that a cleaner environment makes us more tolerant of the bad behaviour in others, rather than less, and the act cleansing doesn't induce us to behave more morally ourselves, as religious people seem to make out.

In separate experiments analysing brain activity, Matthew Lieberman and Naomi Eisenberger found a link (the same area of the brain 'lights up') between social and physical pains and pleasures.
ht*p://w*w.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/323/5916/890

Most animals make efforts to keep themselves clean, which is a sensible strategy for avoiding parasites and infection, but as the New Scientist article suggests, from an evolutionary point of view, some of our more complex emotions could have evolved out of more basic sensory pathways and activities. Thus, we feel chill if we are socially excluded and have the desire to physically clean ourselves from feelings of guilt.
 

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Baptism and that is supposed to be symbolic of death, and then I suppose living a new life. The water itself isn't supposed to wash sins away. As Jesus said, all the outward rituals in the world only make one like "whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean." (Matthew 23:27)
 
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Finding convoluted evolutionary explanations for absolutely everything just wanders into strangeness.

You think its unreasonable to keep clean to avoid becoming sick or infected with parasites? You think the fact that evolutionary theory suggests that is "Strangeness"?

Do you have any idea what you are saying? This is hardly "convoluted", its common sense.
 
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no I meant the suggestion religion is explained by disgust


Oh. Ok. Well that is really confusing you said this, emphasis mine.

Finding convoluted evolutionary explanations for absolutely everything just wanders into strangeness.

I don't see how you could ever interpret that to be a criticism of religious explanations for a human desire to be clean.....
 
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sort of speed read it
 
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Baptism and that is supposed to be symbolic of death, and then I suppose living a new life. The water itself isn't supposed to wash sins away.

Baptism a symbol of death? I don't think that's true.


Jazmyn said:
As Jesus said, all the outward rituals in the world only make one like "whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean." (Matthew 23:27)

Jesus showed great knowledge and wisdom - and the experiments performed 2000 years later confirm that what he said is true.
 
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Finding convoluted evolutionary explanations for absolutely everything just wanders into strangeness.

I think I know where you're coming from; the imagination of some people to fit things into an evolutionary paradigm do, on occasions, seem ridiculous. However, the article in New Scientist is not being dogmatic, but is simply suggesting that some of our higher sensibilities, like the chilly feelings of exclusion and the dirtiness of guilt, MAY be adaptations of the more physical sensations of cold and filthiness.

The experimental results need an explanation one way or the other.

no I meant the suggestion religion is explained by disgust

None of the articles expressed this opinion. The 'disgust' experiments to which you refer "showed that disgust can increase the severity of moral judgments relative to controls".

The results simply demonstrate a link between physical disgust, brought on by foul smells for example, and moral judgement. Personally, I think all these experiments are best explained on the basis of differentiated common neurological pathways.
 
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Human cleanliness is a fairly recent phenomenon especially in the west, 200 years ago to open your pores and leave your body vulnerable to all that disease, would be practically asking to get sick, they thought bathing made you weak, also people could not afford clothes, they had what they had on and they lived in them, lice and all, they also drank beer because you could not find clean drinking water, most water carried disease. (not that they knew what disease was)

I was reading a magazine once which had a beautiful picture of a coach and horses stopped outside an inn in England, the caption underneath said that if we could travel back in time to that coach the first thing that would hit us was the smell, the driver lived with the horses and never changed his clothes, the passengers rarely washed and used perfume to mask the smell, soap, toothpaste, the toilet or toilet paper had not yet been invented.

Christianity turns out to be the only world religion that had no teaching or interest in hygiene, in the early years of the church, the holier you were, the less you wanted to be clean, cleanliness was a kind of luxury, like food, drink and sex, the holier you were -- and this really applied to monks and hermits and saints -- the less you would wash, and the more you smelled the closer to God people thought you were.
 
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Finding convoluted evolutionary explanations for absolutely everything just wanders into strangeness.

Find me anyone who uses "convoluted" evolutionary explanations for "absolutely everything".

The only people who do that are creationists. They are the ones who convolute evolutionary theory, and they are the ones who try to apply it to everything. Nobody who knows what they are talking about does that.
 
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Finding convoluted evolutionary explanations for absolutely everything just wanders into strangeness.
You do realize that it is creationists who tend to find "convoluted evolutionary explanations for absolutely everything," right.

Remember, it was Charles Darwin acting as an agent of the devil to construct such an absurd theory that is responsible for all of the evils ever purpetrated upon humanity.
 
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