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Fair question. It is that it attributes to God the unjust predestining of millions for Heaven or Hell for no reason. Totally arbitrary. Some he hates for no reason and some he loves for no reason. Does this appeal to you, if I may ask?
I don't know where you got that idea, but it's not correct. And I don't care to get off-topic any more than the thread may be right now.
Dead is dead and that is why Paul uses that word in Ephesians 2. He specifically says "dead in trespasses and sin." Dead is dead and in this case dead is spiritually dead. The dead whether physically or spiritually cannot do anything. Because they are dead.Right, but also as Jesus uses the word "dead", does not mean you can do nothing like a physically dead person, so you can change direction while dead.
A person who is part of the Elect obviously has been the beneficiary of God's partiality, all the rest of what you are thinking about aside. There are people who are NOT among the Elect, so how could there not be partiality, IF Unconditional Election were true? There could not be.
So human fairness? How much do you want me to post on how God has been 'unfair' according to human fallen standards? Was it 'fair' the Canaanites lost their land to the Israelites? Yes or no?Treating others equally in the things that really matter.
Dead is dead and that is why Paul uses that word in Ephesians 2. He specifically says "dead in trespasses and sin." Dead is dead and in this case dead is spiritually dead. The dead whether physically or spiritually cannot do anything. Because they are dead.
Let's be sure we understand your contention. So if God gives eternal life to Mr. X, strictly on account of what God chooses to do and it has nothing to do with any inherent goodness in Mr. X or, for that matter, any meritorious acts Mr. X may accomplish in life....
God has not given anything to him that's better in any way than what Mr. Y got from the Creator--which was none of this.
Do you seriously want to continue saying that this shows God as not showing any partiality?
Let's be sure we understand your contention. So if God gives eternal life to Mr. X, strictly on account of what God chooses to do and it has nothing to do with any inherent goodness in Mr. X or, for that matter, any meritorious acts Mr. X may accomplish in life....
God has not given anything to him that's better in any way than what Mr. Y got from the Creator--which was none of this.
Do you seriously want to continue saying that this shows God as not showing any partiality?
Faith in what exactly and works according to what? You gave a few verses out of their context which partially support your proposition. In doing so, you created a pretext. That pretext can be refuted easily with 'competing' verses out of context thus creating another pretext. What you have as a result are self-made contradictions and we know God's Truth is not contradictory.If it's not correct, then the authors of the New Testament were not correct.
Ephesians 2:10
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
James 2:14
What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?
Faith with works save us. Obviously, faith comes first but works are required. In fact, Jesus calls belief a work. So if you say that works can't save you, then belief is not necessary either.
John 6:28
Then they inquired, “What must we do to perform the works of God?” 29 Jesus replied, “The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent.”
Unlike before you are now adding the faith part as something we believe...good, and I appreciate that.
I have no idea what you are getting at. There are a bunch of posters throwing questions at once here, so relying on memory isn't going to work well.And more importantly yet, the "faith without works" question I asked. It's imperative you answer that for a few reasons, one being, a simple truthful answer would reveal the truth of this whole argument.
As for the quality and quantity and timing, that normally remains unspecified, but if you shape up near to your death, you are presumably saved whereas if you live a worthy live for decades but weaken and commit a sin a moment before suffering your fatal heart attack, it is said that you will be lost. So timing matters, just as we presume that this system called works righteousness values giving of all your wealth to the poor more than a one-time helping of an old lady across the street, even if that is a "good" thing in itself. See?
This has nothing to do with the parable of the Gracious Father. I am speaking of this:The son wasn't literally dead. Had he been, he couldn't have stood up and walked home. So he was not physically dead. Paul was writing to living, breathing people who were capable of reading his words. Their deadness was spiritual before they were made alive in Christ.
And of course this was explained ad nauseum on this thread and a few others this week by you, me and a few others.The quote on " partiality" is what happens when people take scripture out of context ....This was was Peter speaking when he realized that Christ was the Savior for the gentiles as well s the Jews (that always thought they had a "special" position
Acts 10:24
34Then Peter began to speak: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism, 35but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right. 36He has sent this message to the people of Israel, proclaiming the gospel of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.
Hey, you aren't listening to me. It's not about which Bible verses are best. No, it isn't. It wasn't.You are rejecting the Holy Spirit inspired words that God shows no partiality.
Faith in what exactly and works according to what?
You gave a few verses out of their context which partially support your proposition.
In doing so, you created a pretext.
That pretext can be refuted easily with 'competing' verses out of context thus creating another pretext. What you have as a result are self-made contradictions and we know God's Truth is not contradictory.
You did say something about harmonizing. But you did not do so.
It has to do with the person obeying what God commanded. And anyone can do that so there is no partiality.
Hey, you aren't even "listening" to what I have explained to you. And it isn't even that I reject the Bible verses that you like. No, it isn't. It wasn't. And so I would appreciate if my religious beliefs were not being defined for me without consulting me. LOL
...which means that you are not speaking to the point under discussion but are instead talking about something else that you prefer to talk about. The confusion here could be unraveled if you were to go back and pick up the gist of the discussion from, oh, forty or so posts back; but if that isn't done, there doesn't seem to be any way of going forward.
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